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March 16, 2013

Cluster Bomb Propaganda

The Associate Press propagandizes: Syrian regime expands use of widely banned cluster bombs against civilians, rights group says. As we will see that claim the cluster bombs are "widely banned" is simply wrong.

The "rights group" claiming Syrian government use of such bombs is Human Rights Watch which has a rather dubious record of correctly identifying cluster bombs and their origin. It seems that HRW claims of such identification always finds that the side ideological opposed to U.S. mainstream is guilty of such use. The Syrian government denies that its uses cluster ammunition.

The AP piece asserts:

Cluster bombs open in flight, scattering smaller bomblets. They pose a threat to civilians long afterwards since many don’t explode immediately. Most countries have banned their use.
This is simply wrong. Out of 193 UN member states only 78 countries, mostly European and African ones, have joined the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Missing are many of the big ones including the United States, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Canada, Israel, Syria and others. Most countries have NOT banned the use of cluster munitions and especially most military strong countries have not and have no intention to do so.

That AP is wrongly asserting otherwise is likely intended to hype Human Rights Watch dubious claims against the Syrian government.

Posted by b on March 16, 2013 at 08:45 AM | Permalink

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"The Associate Press propagandizes: Syrian regime expands use of widely banned cluster bombs against civilians, rights group says."

The zionist media is also renewing their fraudulent propaganda campaign about Syria could use chem weapons:

A red line Assad must not cross: chemical weapons

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/syrias-assad-must-not-be-allowed-to-use-chemical-weapons/2013/03/15/93e74006-8cf0-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html

These fascists are using any ploy they can to keep the terrorism against Syria going. All of these people are committing war crimes.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 16, 2013 8:59:27 AM | 1

So many weapons delivered/appearing/sold/ in/to Syria.. Let's make a killing!

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 16, 2013 9:32:57 AM | 2

How do you guys interpret this one:

"CIA begins sizing up Islamic extremists in Syria for drone strikes"
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-syria-20130316,0,3989647.story

"The strategy is part of the agency's secret contingency planning to protect the U.S. and its allies as the violence there grows. Some militants in Syria are seen as closely linked to Al Qaeda."

Posted by: HIlmi Hakim | Mar 16, 2013 10:31:32 AM | 3

Aren't cluster bombs the west's issue? Didn't we carpet bomb Iraq with them so that for years to come children and other civilians could continue to feel our wrath? What a bunch of asshole we have sitting in the chairs of power. They all need to be put into chairs that have power... lots of electrical power that is.

Posted by: DaveS | Mar 16, 2013 10:33:55 AM | 4

And when the latest war with Lebanon was over didn't the US delay the peace treaty in order to deliver more cluster bombs Israel?

Posted by: lanbent1 | Mar 16, 2013 11:20:57 AM | 5

And when the latest war with Lebanon was over didn't the US delay the peace treaty in order to deliver more cluster bombs for Israel to drop?

Posted by: lambent1 | Mar 16, 2013 11:23:00 AM | 6

@ #3 "CIA begins sizing up Islamic extremists in Syria for drone strikes"

If/when US will use drones in Syria, it will only be against Assad, and if he falls - drones could be used against those terrorists who dont serve US interests in "liberated Syria". US will never target anyone who are fighting against Assad, until they complete US mission and could be discarded.

Case and point, US havent moved a finger against Al Qaeda and their affiliates in Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, only helped them. And several Americans (who are openly fighting for Al Qaeda/Al Nusra) are allowed to freely come and go from US, or give lectures in Washington. They arent killed, not even detained or questioned. This should answer how US feels about "useful idiots" Islamic extremists.

Posted by: Harry | Mar 16, 2013 11:23:20 AM | 7

The US claim that it is deploying drones in Syria to fight terrorism is a cover for their use in providing intelligence to the terrorists about SAA troop movements and eventually in targeting SAA military commanders. Any time the US makes a public assertion about it's military strategy you know it is a lie, because the truth is a strategic asset which must be kept secret.

Anyone who has followed international affairs closely knows that "Human Rights Watch" is a US whore.

Posted by: Gareth | Mar 16, 2013 11:23:48 AM | 8

#8

Are you by any chance Gareth Porter? Love reading his analysis.

About drones missions you are spot on, under cover of "targeting terrorists" US would target Assad's assets instead and nobody in the "civilized World" will have any objections. Much like in Libya under pretense of "protecting civilians" US openly fought on the side of terrorists and carpet bombed those very civilians they were "trying to protect". If condemnation resolution would reach UNSC, US itself would veto, funny how it works.

Posted by: Harry | Mar 16, 2013 12:13:43 PM | 9

Interesting that anyone, anywhere near the SAA fire instantly becomes "civilians" in western Zionist corporate media. Even the most monstrously grotesque of the bearded trolls NATO have at it´s disposal

Posted by: Buk | Mar 16, 2013 1:53:00 PM | 10

I agree Gareth #8. I know that Noam Chomsky called the report "Human Rights Watch" issued on Venezuela right after Chavez's death outlandish and misleading. This is probably why Chavez kicked most of these western "human rights" NGO's out of the country. He knows that they're just another tool of US soft power.

Posted by: RC | Mar 16, 2013 2:30:41 PM | 11

Hey B---

Here's an article that was published on Counterpunch a few days ago which took HRW's report on Venezuela to task:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/14/the-bias-of-human-rights-watch/

Posted by: RC | Mar 16, 2013 2:51:22 PM | 12

Never mind the millions of cluster bomblets that were rained upon Lebanon by Israel, or those that were dropped on the Gazans, eh? It is safe to state that Israel has undoubtedly used more cluster bombs on civilian non-combatants than any other country in history. To say nothing of Israel's use of white phosphorous on civilian populations.

Amazing that that little shithole sand spit has managed to make whores out of 99.9% of our politicians, as well as completely and utterly rendered our media useless and immorally biased.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Mar 16, 2013 4:12:25 PM | 13

Cluster bombs, soldiers using Viagra to rape civilians, genocidal massacres, eating babies, turning coke to pepsi Saddam and Gaddafi were both accused of these things. Demonizing is such a tired tactic, I can't see why so many people fall for it. This is all propaganda. Just clear and simple propaganda to keep the war drum beating.

Posted by: Fernando | Mar 16, 2013 6:05:15 PM | 14

The other bit of propaganda about Syria today is about a defecting "High-ranking general." Does anyone have any real information about this. Other than a mention about SAA soldiers at some checkpoints taking bribes to turn a blind eye to the types of cargo passing through during off-hours, I haven't seen any recent reports about low morale in the Syrian Army. In fact, I've seen articles about the mobilization of civilian popular committees and efforts to link their information networks on a nation-wide scale -- the civilians trying to prevent their villages and neighborhoods from being taken over by insurgents appear to be very determined.

On the other hand, both Franklin Lamb and Al Akhbar are noting that the majority of Syrians do not support either the insurgents or the Assad adminstration, they just want the fighting to end (Lamb puts it at 15% pro-insurgent, 30% pro-regime and the rest just wanting the fighting to stop). No breakdown is given for how the support level for the regime corresponds to having a close family member currently serving in the Army.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 6:45:12 PM | 15

Rusty Pipes - 14

"(Lamb puts it at 15% pro-insurgent, 30% pro-regime and the rest just wanting the fighting to stop)"

Doubtful Lamb has done any solid research into those numbers and is probably guessing based upon too much reading of the rubbish the zionist media puts out. Poll figures I've been seeing for months now pretty much square with this:

Looking for Way Out of Syrian Crisis

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/03/14/looking-for-way-out-of-syrian-crisis.html

"There are two belligerents in the confrontation. The Bashar Assad’s leadership supported by the major part of population (60% - 75% according to different sources), its law enforcement agencies, armed forces on the one side and armed formations waging terror campaign, predominantly radical Islamists, on the other. Many of them come from Muslim Arab states and European Muslim communities. Al Qaeda militants make up part of the opposition."

Posted by: вот так | Mar 16, 2013 7:31:32 PM | 16

BOT TAK's numbers On Assad's support are realistic. Why do you think the terrorists are against Assad staying and running for the 2014 election? He would win.

Posted by: HIlmi Hakim | Mar 16, 2013 7:50:57 PM | 17

@bot tak #16

I apologize. I was conflating two articles I have recently read that both use similar statistics regarding firm supporters of the Assad administration (around 30%) and firm supporters of the insurgents (around 15%). The Al Akhbar article describes the attitude of the rest as Syria’s ‘Silent Majority’: “To Hell With Both of Them.” Franklin Lamb, one of the few Western journalists to have been reporting from Damascus for the past several months, has a more optimistic take on the war-weary attitude of the majority of Syrians in The Oft-Predicted Fickle Syrian ‘Tipping Point’ Has Tipped:

Based on personal observations and interviews with a fair number of informed people who actually live in Syria, as opposed to the Zionist “think” tank-arm chair “expert” variety, this observer concedes that prognosticators are finally right.

In point of fact, I have concluded over the past few months that the long elusive “tipping point” in Syria has indeed been reached and the momentum has shifted decisively in this embattled.

But not the tipping point that the rebel promoters were hoping for, including the NATO countries.

But rather the momentum here has tipped in favor of the current regime due to its capacity to maintain a slowly rising level of popular support, and good relations with key foreign supporters during the current run up to next year’s Presidential election. Then, it will be up to the Syrian voters to decide who stays, goes, and/or joins in their next government.

I base my tentative conclusions, on among others, the following factors.

The Syrian population here is so tired, so exhausted and beaten down– the killing has gone on for so long, and the Syrian people, like Iranians and others I have observed, appear to exhibit a ( distinctly noticeable by this foreigner), profound and almost moral and religious bond with their countrymen and they personally feel acutely their country’s suffering. Such that people on the streets are very shocked and incredulous at what is going on and many in fact feel less strongly about either side in the conflict and just want the slaughter to end and for life to return to ‘normal’ even without deep revolutionary-across the board-changes for now.


Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 8:08:35 PM | 18

I've posted a response twice and it's still not showing up when I come back to this article.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 8:15:07 PM | 19

While something formed from Helsinki Watch, created by the Ford Foundation as an anti-soviet propaganda mechanism was always going to be pretty dubious, they seemed to go noticably downhill once Suzanne Nossel went through their ranks as 'Chief Operating Officer'.

Initially the idea with HRW seemed to be to create a US based/focused competitor to the International Committee of the Red Cross that would eventually supplant them in international affairs, & there seemed to be quite a bit of genuine human rights stuff actually done by them in places that people have never heard of.

After Nossel went through they went downhill steadily, up to the point where they now seem to be just another stop in the great US lobbying/ngo/thinktank industry for connected insiders. Probably still some genuine believers in the rank and file, but the whole management structure looks to be completely corrupt.


PS. Nossel, champion of 'Liberal Internationalism' & founder of the 'Smart Power' doctrine so favoured by the Obama/Clinton neo-liberals, got kicked off of her perch as Executive Director of Amnesty not too long ago!
Probably a little too late for whatever was left of Amnesty's reputation, but still good to hear.

Moved straight into the Executive Directorship of something called the PEN American Center, however...
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEN_American_Center )

Posted by: KenM | Mar 16, 2013 8:18:57 PM | 20

@ Rusty Pipes [#17],

Q: I've posted a response twice and it's still not showing up when I come back to this article.

R: Odd. I've had that too and as your message and this do make it to the pages, what's going on?

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 16, 2013 8:30:45 PM | 21

Over the past couple of years I've paid a lot of attention to the question of what percentage of Syrians support the Assad government and I'm very confident that the estimate given by вот так #15 is correct. Both Franklin Lamb and the editors of Al Akhbar are bigoted against the Assad government and their low estimate of 30% does not reflect a quality information basis about Syria and instead it reflects their bigotry.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Mar 16, 2013 8:35:03 PM | 22

@ Rusty Pipes [#17],

As my previous message did make it, I notice that both your and my comment don't contain any links. Most of my replies do contain links and I always use the 'Preview' button to see whether those links works properly [Link to ACLU → Link to ACLU
]. In most cases I then have to type some random letters and numbers [security feature] to actually post it. Perhaps that's where things go wrong? Any thoughts?

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 16, 2013 8:35:05 PM | 23

@ Rusty Pipes: If your post has a lot of text, it will get put into suspension in the spam filter. The solution is to split the post into two separate smaller posts, or three if necessary. Another rule of the spam filter is that if the post has a lot of links it will get put into suspension in the spam box. You will be told "your comment has been posted" but in fact it won't be. The solution once again is to break it up into several posts and post them quickly one right after the other.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Mar 16, 2013 8:40:41 PM | 24

Rusty Pipes - 17

"I've posted a response twice and it's still not showing up when I come back to this article."

Was it a long post. I've had that happen to long posts. There is like a 24 hour hold on them, or they need approval from b, or something? After that happened a couple of times, I started breaking up the long ones into smaller posts and that stopped the delays. Also, many blogs use a system that limits the number of links. If you put a lot of links in a post, that may cause it to get held up. These are only guesses based on my past experiences, it may be something else.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 16, 2013 8:40:49 PM | 25

@DR#21:
I just was able to post a long comment in another thread and the security code came up. It hasn't been coming up in this thread.

@bot tak#23 I'll try breaking my comment into bits. Part I:


@bot tak #16

I apologize. I was conflating two articles I have recently read that both use similar statistics regarding firm supporters of the Assad administration (around 30%) and firm supporters of the insurgents (around 15%). The Al Akhbar article describes the attitude of the rest as Syria’s ‘Silent Majority’: “To Hell With Both of Them.” Franklin Lamb, one of the few Western journalists to have been reporting from Damascus for the past several months, has a more optimistic take on the war-weary attitude of the majority of Syrians in The Oft-Predicted Fickle Syrian ‘Tipping Point’ Has Tipped.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 8:47:01 PM | 26

@bot tak #16, Part II (from the Lamb article):

Based on personal observations and interviews with a fair number of informed people who actually live in Syria, as opposed to the Zionist “think” tank-arm chair “expert” variety, this observer concedes that prognosticators are finally right. In point of fact, I have concluded over the past few months that the long elusive “tipping point” in Syria has indeed been reached and the momentum has shifted decisively in this embattled. But not the tipping point that the rebel promoters were hoping for, including the NATO countries. But rather the momentum here has tipped in favor of the current regime due to its capacity to maintain a slowly rising level of popular support, and good relations with key foreign supporters during the current run up to next year’s Presidential election. Then, it will be up to the Syrian voters to decide who stays, goes, and/or joins in their next government.

I base my tentative conclusions, on among others, the following factors.

The Syrian population here is so tired, so exhausted and beaten down– the killing has gone on for so long, and the Syrian people, like Iranians and others I have observed, appear to exhibit a ( distinctly noticeable by this foreigner), profound and almost moral and religious bond with their countrymen and they personally feel acutely their country’s suffering. Such that people on the streets are very shocked and incredulous at what is going on and many in fact feel less strongly about either side in the conflict and just want the slaughter to end and for life to return to ‘normal’ even without deep revolutionary-across the board-changes for now.


Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 8:50:44 PM | 27

@bot tak #16, Part II (from the Lamb article at Counterpunch):

Based on personal observations and interviews with a fair number of informed people who actually live in Syria, as opposed to the Zionist “think” tank-arm chair “expert” variety, this observer concedes that prognosticators are finally right. In point of fact, I have concluded over the past few months that the long elusive “tipping point” in Syria has indeed been reached and the momentum has shifted decisively in this embattled. But not the tipping point that the rebel promoters were hoping for, including the NATO countries. But rather the momentum here has tipped in favor of the current regime due to its capacity to maintain a slowly rising level of popular support, and good relations with key foreign supporters during the current run up to next year’s Presidential election. Then, it will be up to the Syrian voters to decide who stays, goes, and/or joins in their next government.

I base my tentative conclusions, on among others, the following factors.

The Syrian population here is so tired, so exhausted and beaten down– the killing has gone on for so long, and the Syrian people, like Iranians and others I have observed, appear to exhibit a ( distinctly noticeable by this foreigner), profound and almost moral and religious bond with their countrymen and they personally feel acutely their country’s suffering. Such that people on the streets are very shocked and incredulous at what is going on and many in fact feel less strongly about either side in the conflict and just want the slaughter to end and for life to return to ‘normal’ even without deep revolutionary-across the board-changes for now.


Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 16, 2013 8:52:39 PM | 28

One has to wonder why the US, England, France & its gulf despots simply don't wait and see how the 2014 elections pan out instead of further intensifying the bloodbath. Wouldn't this be a more logical and moral course to pursue than sponsoring all of this blood-shed? If what they're telling us is true about Assad's popularity (and it isn't..and they KNOW it), why not simply stop arming the "rebels" and let "democracy" run its course? naturally, they don't believe in democracy anymore than I believe in the Easter bunny, but it sounds "good" to the Americans back home who love to entertain this fantasy. The US./England/France & their gulf tyrants can't risk Assad running for president next year and emerging victorious, which is why they've intesified their "material support" for the fanatics. They want Assad dead or ousted before those elections. There's too much at stake. If Assad wins and the "regime change" campaign collapses, then the Russians & Chinese will be vindicated and it will be a SERIOUS blow to US power.

Posted by: RC | Mar 16, 2013 9:30:47 PM | 29

#15 "The Bashar Assad’s leadership supported by the major part of population (60% - 75% according to different sources)"

A month or so ago in West media was interview with a terrorist from Alepo, who was pissed 70% of population are pro-Assad, and blamed Syrians in general for "not supporting the revolution." So even terrorists agree with you on this one ;-)

Posted by: Harry | Mar 17, 2013 3:13:08 AM | 30

@ PissedOffAmerican [#12],

Q: Amazing that that little shithole sand spit has managed to make whores out of 99.9% of our politicians, as well as completely and utterly rendered our media useless and immorally biased.

R: Given

"As we detailed in an article five years ago, much of the Corries’ initial efforts focused on moving the three branches of the American government to deliver justice after Rachel’s killing. They pressed the Executive branch, through the State and Justice departments, for an investigation, they used the court system for a civil trial against the Caterpillar Corporation, and they sought a Congressional resolution calling for a U.S.-led investigation. As hardly needs saying, these efforts failed spectacularly in their primary goals. The Corries challenged—and for many newcomers, exposed–a powerful and deeply entrenched foreign policy apparatus that grants virtual impunity to Israel, even for the killing of an American peace activist." LINK, I can't find anything wrong with your assertion.

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 17, 2013 3:26:53 AM | 31

Franklin Lamb, who's now located in Damascus, says as quoted at #25 above: "over the past few months... momentum here has tipped in favor of the current regime due to its capacity to maintain a slowly rising level of popular support." That is a falsehood. I know of no evidence to support it anywhere. There has been no change in the level of the government's support. Undoubtedly one of the factors causing Franklin Lamb to make that error is that Franklin Lamb, until he recently relocated to Damascus, used to think that the regime was ugly and the regime didn't have a lot of popular support, and a change of regime would be nice, and he used to think (probably still does), wrongly, that the regime was guilty of brutalizing and oppressing the population such that the regime couldn't and didn't have good legitimacy among the people. Whereas most of the people of Syria believe, correctly, that the stories of about brutalizing, and so on, are false propaganda. The great majority of the people of Syria believe Syrian State TV and Addounia TV. At #25 Franklin Lamb claims "[many people on the Damascus streets] feel less strongly about either side in the conflict and just want... life to return to ‘normal’ even without deep revolutionary-across the board-changes for now." That statement is effectively a contradiction in terms because a return to 'normal life' is effectively a complete defeat for the rebels and a complete victory for the government. That sentence of his also has a major factual error when it says there is a politically uncommitted or apolitical silent majority. Different individuals who support the government have different degrees of comprehensiveness and intensity in their support. But there is no such thing as an uncommitted majority. The majority are committed and support this government, and that fundamental has been true every day for the last two years and for the last two decades, and the size of that majority is not a bare majority either but it is something like 70%.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Mar 17, 2013 8:34:01 AM | 32

PS. that was a great series of posts on Human Rights Watch claims by 'b' on the whole fiasco of the Georgian 'war', and really brought HRW's methodology as a propaganda mechanism into stark relief.
Great work, & a pleasure to follow.

Posted by: KenM | Mar 17, 2013 9:40:23 AM | 33

Israel calls and Engel jumps to attention.

Senior US Democrat to introduce bill on arming Syrian rebels

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_03_18/Senior-US-Democrat-to-introduce-bill-on-arming-Syrian-rebels/

"Eliot Engel, a Democrat MP on the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, is pushing the Obama administration to arm and train rebel fighters, as well as boost humanitarian aid for the region."

Who is this guy? One of the more loyal AIPAC agents:

AIPAC Agent Eliot Engel Goes After Obama Cabinet Pick As Being Too Anti-Israel

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2012/12/aipac-agent-eliot-engel-goes-after.html

"Before the House Democrats elected their ranking members, we started warning about the potential disaster of putting Zionist extremist Eliot Engel, whose loyalties are demonstrably more to the Likud Party in Israel than to the U.S.A., in as ranking member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. Engel, a New Dem and "Free" Trade cypher, was up against another Zionist, Brad Sherman, who isn't as extreme as Engel. House Democratic leadership, though, was intent on filling every position they could with New Dems-- while the Progressive Caucus dozed-- and Sherman was persuaded to withdraw from the race. The Democrats are now stuck with, for all intents and purposes, an Israeli spy as their spokesperson on the committee..."

Posted by: вот так | Mar 18, 2013 5:48:23 AM | 34

The Syrian war crime is mainly Israel's baby.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 18, 2013 5:50:09 AM | 35

@ BOT TAK [#34/35],

Obomber's morphing himself into the 'Green Lantern Man' with his 'giving the go ahead' on bombing Syria [Israel's raid earlier this year].

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 18, 2013 7:21:30 AM | 36

Rusty Pipes - 26, 27

OK, thanks.

Daniel Rich - 36

I'd hate to unexpectantly come across what Obama is morphing himself into...

Posted by: вот так | Mar 18, 2013 7:39:46 AM | 37

A few howlers from a pundit's piece in the Guardian that relies upon an unnamed Israeli official and a former (out of the loop) American official as its main sources:

Israeli warplanes destroyed a Syrian convoy at the end of January which Israeli officials say was taking Russian-made ground-to-air missiles to Hezbollah. Binyamin Netanyahu's government has made clear that it would strike again in similar circumstances. A senior official said: "Maybe it would be better if Israel doesn't do it, but who is going to deal with it?

"These missiles are not just a problem for Israel," the official added. "They include [anti-ship] missiles, and who has the biggest navy in the Mediterranean?" – a reference to the US. Israeli military and government officials concede that it is unlikely that they will be able to persuade Washington to take military action in Syria unless chemical weapons are involved.

But they want to use Obama's scheduled five hours of talks with Netanyahu on Wednesday evening to secure a guarantee of US support for more pre-emptive Israeli strikes, even if they risk provoking a cross-border conflict with Hezbollah. "What I hear over and over again from Israeli generals is that another war with Hezbollah is inevitable," a western diplomat said, pointing to estimates that the Shia militia has up to 60,000 missiles hidden in southern Lebanese villages. He said neither side had anything to gain from a new conflict now.

First, based on the history of which Middle Eastern country has attacked American warships in the Mediterranean, Syria is a much lower threat than its next door neighbor.

Second, Israel constantly invades Lebanese airspace because it still thinks that it has a lot to gain from a conflict with Lebanon, including water, natural gas and another excuse for its Spartan mindset. Israel is just more cautious about instigating an incident with Lebanon since 2006 didn't turn out as they had hoped.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 18, 2013 7:36:28 PM | 38

@ Rusty Pipes [#38],

Example of Syrian Freedom Fighters/Oppositions style justice.

Here you'll find pictures of the parked vehicles at or near a research center near Damascus [I can't vouch for the accuracy of those claims]. It makes you wonder..., how on earth are you gonna blow ships outta da Mediterranean Sea, all the way from Syria's capital city

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 18, 2013 9:32:52 PM | 39

@ Rusty Pipes [#38],

Suddenly realize that what may seem something normal to me, might be conceived as graphic by others [youtube video]. Link to Brown-Moses blogspot: please scroll down until you've nearly reached the bottom of the page.

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 18, 2013 9:52:01 PM | 40

history is being made to repeat itself: remember the cluster bombs of misrata:

The use of cluster munitions in Misrata
May 25, 2011 — 37 Comments

On this page, HRI presents some of the evidence relevant to the use of cluster munitions in Misrata in April 2011.

As more information comes to light, and in response to the requirements of the on-going investigation, this page is updated on a fairly regular basis.

Unlike those who jump to instant conclusions based on propaganda and partial truths, HRI is sceptical and unbiased – which clearly isn’t popular in some quarters.

For those looking for a 100% definite answer as to who fired the munitions into Misrata, this page will be a bit of a disappointment but more about links between the banks, governments, arms traders and the military is being uncovered on an almost daily basis.

The use of cluster munitions in Misrata

On 15th April 2011, during the day, sub-munitions of a MAT-120 cluster munition were shown to Human Rights Watch (HRW) and C.J. Chivers, a journalist for the New York Times, in Misrata. That evening, during ongoing clashes between rebel and loyalist forces, HRW workers witnessed 3 or 4 cluster munitions landing in residential areas of Misrata. HRW attest to further subsequent such bombings.

Initial Reactions

Civilians were reportedly killed in these attacks and the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, condemned:

“The reported repeated use of cluster munitions and heavy weaponry by Libyan government forces in their attempt to regain control of the besieged city of Misrata.”

She noted that one cluster munition had reportedly exploded a few hundred metres from a hospital in Misrata while another two clinics were apparently hit by mortar or sniper fire.

“Using imprecise weaponry such as cluster munitions, multiple rocket launchers and mortars, and other forms of heavy weaponry, in crowded urban areas will inevitably lead to civilian casualties.”

These attacks were immediately blamed these attacks on the Gaddafi regime and the news has been a front page and first item on the television news around the world.

Here are the relevant HRW and NYT reports:

The Human Rights Watch Report of 15th April on which the Ghaddafi forces fired cluster munitions story has been based.

CJ Chiver’s report on 15th April, ‘Qaddafi Troops Fire Cluster Bombs Into Civilian Areas’

Fred Abrahams on BBC Radio 4 Today Program 16 April 2011

In response to the question of why he assumed the munitions were fired by Libyan rather than NATO forces, Fred Abrahams said,

“Because the MAT-120 is mortar-fired and NATO has no troops on the ground.”

When initially confronted with the information that cluster munitions had been found in Misrata, Hillary Clinton’s reaction was:

“That is worrying information. And it is one of the reasons the fight in Misrata is so difficult, because it’s at close quarters, it’s in amongst urban areas and it poses a lot of challenges to both NATO and to the opposition.”
etc
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/05/25/the-cluster-bombing-of-misrata-the-case-against-the-usa/

it was fraud then and its fraud now

Posted by: brian | Mar 19, 2013 3:34:46 AM | 41

In other news, the grenade which killed 5 turks back in october came "definetly from NATO stock", claims some colonel in austrian military paper.

[German] Source

Posted by: lex | Mar 19, 2013 6:57:58 AM | 42

FYI: regarding Syria
There have been missile strikes at or near possibly in Lebanon
Who struck is anybody's guess
the NATO media is spinning chemical weapons
SANA is reporting chemical materials were used against the populace in the Aleppo countryside
the latest

Settlement is looking to be out of the question.

Not with Israel standing to gain so much from the downfall of Syria


Posted by: Penny | Mar 19, 2013 8:11:13 AM | 43

brian @ 41

don't you find the same propaganda memes are played over and over?
From one locale to the other

Posted by: Penny | Mar 19, 2013 8:12:18 AM | 44

Link to article about chem weapons usage mentioned by Penny in #43.

Posted by: jawbone | Mar 19, 2013 12:04:19 PM | 45

Hey Jawbone:

I just updated my post. the US is rejecting the Syrian claim that rebels have used chemical of some sort as weapons

However, the article added to that post has a picture of one of the victims

A Syrian soldier. Regular Army.

I can only conclude that indeed the 'rebels', or as is more accurate NATO mercs, did fire some sort of chemicals onto the general populace of Aleppo, a portion that was most certainly still free of the rebels and their inhumane ways.

And the US is of course going to deny this move. What else can they do.


Posted by: Penny | Mar 19, 2013 12:24:16 PM | 46

Geez I see CTV is busing metamorphing the original article

Posted by: Penny | Mar 19, 2013 12:25:50 PM | 47

NATO Proxies Using WMD's in Syria - Dozens Dead

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/03/nato-proxies-using-wmds-in-syria-dozens.html

"After a 10 year war/occupation in Iraq, the death of over a million people including thousands of US soldiers, all based on patently false claims of the nation possessing "weapons of mass destruction," (WMDs), it is outrageous hypocrisy to see the West arming, funding, and politically backing terrorists in Syria who in fact both possess, and are now using such weapons against the Syrian people.

At least 25 are reported dead after a chemical weapons attack targeting Syrian soldiers was carried out by NATO-backed terrorists in the northern city of Aleppo. While NATO-backed terrorists claim they lack the "expertise" to even use chemical weapons, it was reported by CNN in their December 2012 article, "Sources: U.S. helping underwrite Syrian rebel training on securing chemical weapons," that:

The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.

And while some are attempting to suggest the use of chemical weapons by either side indicates "unsecured stockpiles" and a "security risk," the weapons could have just as likely come from Libya. Aleppo is located near the Syrian-Turkish border. Had Libya's looted stockpiles of chemical weapons been shipped to Syria, they would have passed through Turkey along with weapons sent from Libya by the US and thousands of Libyan terrorists who are admittedly operating inside Syria, and would most likely be used to target cities like Aleppo.

Worse yet, any chemical weapons imported into the country would implicate NATO either directly or through gross negligence, as the weapons would have passed through NATO-member Turkey, past US CIA agents admittedly operating along the border and along side Western-backed terrorists inside Syria.

Libya's WMD's are in Terrorist Hands

Libya's arsenal had fallen into the hands of sectarian extremists with NATO assistance in 2011 during the culmination of efforts to overthrow the North African nation . Since then, Libya's militants led by commanders of Al Qaeda's Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) have armed sectarian extremists across the Arab World, from as far West as Mali, to as far East as Syria..."

Remember the Britam hacked emails about using Libyan chem weapons? In all likelihood, those wmd plans were part of a real operation, which we are now seeing break surface. Probably the Russians go wind of the planned use of Libyan wmds by the west's terrorists in Syria, and staged the hack to expose these plans. Rather than burning their real sources, they forged an email about the plan outline to show that they knew the west had planned to use Libyan wmds in Syria. Apparently, Israel, the USA and NATO felt arrogant enough they figured they could use chem weapons in Syria, anyway, and rely upon the zionist media to totally mislead the public as usual.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 19, 2013 11:21:02 PM | 48

@bot tak #48:

Also, Al Akhbar did an expose about a Lebanese connection for transferring Libyan arms through Turkey to insurgent groups in Syria. Hariri's right-hand man, Okab Sakr, was a main facilitator of the transfers. I don't recall a mention of chemical weapons among the weapons systems.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Mar 19, 2013 11:41:29 PM | 49

Rusty Pipes - 49

I've seen quite a bit of warning about the terrorists having been given chem weapons. Since around last December, the Syria government has stated repeatedly that the terrorists did have chem weapons and were planning to use them. The terrorists even demonstrated they had chem weapons back in last fall with videos of them killing animals with chem agents posted to youtube. The Syrian/Russian warnings were discussed in the non-western media, and mostly out of the zionist media loop. Likely the zionist media never strayed from the "Assad is about to kill his people with chem weapons" propaganda line. At least what little I read of their rubbish never did - I don't usually read msm propaganda, reached my level of tolerance for the septic sludge 20+ years ago.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 20, 2013 12:11:27 AM | 50

There has been other chem weapons attacks by the west's terrorists in Syria. This report has more info.

О турецком следе в сегодняшней провокации с химическим оружием в Сирии

http://anna-news.info/node/10419

(Google translation - which came out surprisingly well, for once)

On the track in today's Turkish provocation with chemical weapons in Syria

"Today, from the area of ​​the province of Aleppo Neurath unknown persons in the Khan Al Asal was launched missiles with chemical weapons. At the moment, 26 people have died, another 80 victims were hospitalized in serious condition in hospital Aleppo. Presumably people are poisoned with white phosphorous and some poison gas related to WMD. Signs of: loss of consciousness, seizures, the onset of death.
A few hours before the tanks told Alexander Prokhanov, Mikhail Leontiev, and your humble servant of a similar incident that occurred on March 5 of this year. On this day, their armored column came under fire from an RPG shaped charges with tape attached to the charges of containers with some poison gas (see our latest video on 20.30 min)[not exactly sure which video this refers to]. Signs of the crew were quite different, and less powerful. But there was white smoke.
Unprecedented launch missiles with chemical agents related category of WMD, draws attention to the fact that neither the front Al Nusra or SSA, or al Qaeda could not hold such a diversion. To this day, they did not have an adequate level of experts, including for use in combat. As you know, chemical weapons WMD class exclusively developed in the laboratories of the NATO countries and is classified as a very dangerous and difficult to use. If Al Qaeda itself could not help NATO officers chemists use such weapons, especially in the missile variant, we would have already confronted with the facts of its wide use in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and even in Europe. But it has not had any. The proximity of the area Neurath Aleppo province, from which the missile was launched from chemical agents, to the Turkish border can narrow down the possible perpetrators of the NATO countries to one particular country - member of the undeclared war against Syria - Turkey. Recall that a few months ago we brought a tape ANNA_NEWS fact importation from Turkey of Turkish army officers and store them in Syria in secrecy any missiles. Today we witnessed the launch of the missile with chemical weapons to the border area with Turkey.
All of this suggests an attempt to revive the War Party a definite plan on entering the U.S. satellites into Syria NATO forces under the pretext of loss of control over chemical weapons. All the more so in this case, the invaders announced its goal not the Syrian Arab army, and brutal cunning Front Nusra al. Recall that the provocation will coincide with the concentration of units of the army of Israel on the Golan Heights (IDF), where in the near future possibly aggravating the situation."

Posted by: вот так | Mar 20, 2013 1:00:55 AM | 51

@ BOT TAK [#51]

Completely off topic: yeah those google translations can be quite funny at times. Here's one of my customers expressing his thanks in Japanese + [google] translated:

先ほど無事に届きました♪お心配りもありがとうございました。大切に使わせていただきますね。 誠実に対応してくださりとても安心してお取引できました。気持ちの良いお取引をありがとうございました。 ぜひまたご縁がありますように。

Thank you for your jealousy as well ♪ that just arrived safely. We used carefully. I was able to trade with confidence that sure to respond in good faith. Thank you for a good deal of feeling. May you have your edge come again.

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 20, 2013 1:44:16 AM | 52

Posted by: вот так | Mar 16, 2013 7:31:32 PM | 16
so how popular is the 'regime'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh0ecbxkj1s
this rally in Damascus had more than a million people as estimated by chinese press....
so pro-'regime' is much more than 30%

Posted by: brian | Mar 20, 2013 2:29:56 AM | 53

Breaking: #Libya - unconfirmed, that elements of Misurata militias are staging a Coup against US-puppet gov.
http://greenkomitet.ru/forum/forums-english/news/libya/1141-tripoli-libya-unconfiermed-news-gangs-misurata-making-military-coup.html

Posted by: brian | Mar 20, 2013 2:34:20 AM | 54

Bot tak @ 51

No this was not the first time chemicals had been used in syria by nato's merc killer army

There were reports in December 2012 of the terrorists being injured by chems of some sort
At that time there were trying to suggest it was SAA
Israel was spinning hard on this fabrication
In the post I had put up at that time,(dec 12) I suggested the merc goons had likely injured themselves mixing something...


You can read that old post by hitting yesterdays post linked above
The older post is relinked there

Also this chemical weapon attack may give NATO the justification to start 'attacking terrorists' same as in Pakistan
using the war on terror meme

Posted by: Penny | Mar 20, 2013 6:55:21 AM | 55


FYI: Syria has gone to the UN asking that they investigate the chemical use by NATO mercs

What good will come of this? I don't know?
It does seem Syria is being very proactive, that much is good to see

Posted by: Penny | Mar 20, 2013 12:47:46 PM | 56

Penny - 55/56

I remember that earlier incident, and suspect you are right about that being a self-inflicted screw-up by the terrorists involved. The description of the symptoms is similar to those afflicted by the recent attack. It's likely the same chemical material based upon chlorine. I posted a link to a detailed article in the Russian media about chlorine use in the recent attack, but this site wouldn't let the post go through for some reason. I'll post a translation over on your site.

Posted by: вот так | Mar 20, 2013 10:09:54 PM | 57

thanks bot tak
I saw and put it through

Posted by: Penny | Mar 21, 2013 7:19:11 AM | 58

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