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January 08, 2013

Open (Pizza) Thread - 2013-01

A pizza with the radius "z" and the height "a" has a volume of:

Pi*z*z*a

 

(I am busy at work and had no time to read and write. Use as open thread.)

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Posted by: вот так | Jan 8, 2013 1:23:15 PM | 1

Historical article on the role of Chiang Kai-shek in China as a drug lord and American puppet.

The USA’s decades long warfare against China

http://www.voltairenet.org/article177063.html

The gruesome acts of terror carried out by the forces under Kai-shek, with first the approval of the USA (and Europe), and later under the direction of the Americans show that the current Israeli-American running of terrorists is nothing really new. And neither is the Israeli-American preference for drug lord gangsters as their pet dictators. The terror strategy, the drug mafia and extreme fascist support are all a common thread in the American way of foreign policy, past and present.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 8, 2013 1:44:33 PM | 2

Stacey Mitchell: Why we can't buy our way to a better economy

Posted by: somebody | Jan 8, 2013 1:48:44 PM | 3

Past becomes present?

Destabilizing Iran as a Nation State: Targeted Sanctions as an “Alternative” to War?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/destabilizing-iran-as-a-nation-state-targeted-sanctions-as-an-alternative-to-war/5318153

"Washington’s quest to bring Tehran to its knees continues to accelerate. And in turn, ordinary Iranians increasingly find themselves caught in the crosshairs.

As the Washington Post reports on the latest round of Iran sanctions signed by President Obama last week, “the new policies are closer to a true trade embargo, designed to systematically attack and undercut Iran’s major financial pillars and threaten the country with economic collapse.”

“The new law imposes sanctions against international companies that do business with Iranian firms in the targeted industrial sectors, and also seeks to block Iran from obtaining aluminum, steel, coal and other materials critical for construction and vehicle manufacturing,” the Post continues.

The order — to conjure the ghost of Nixon — has clearly been given to “make the economy scream.”

In fact, as the New York Times reported back in June, the sanctions on Iran “represent one of the boldest uses of oil sanctions as a tool of coercion since the United States cut off oil exports to Japan in 1940.”

Of course, in the case of Japan, the oil embargo led to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and gave the U.S. the pretext it sought to enter the Second World War. And for those fixing to attack Iran today, such a history is well understood. After all, waiting for the “next Pearl Harbor” has long been something of an obsession for U.S. neo-cons."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 8, 2013 1:51:29 PM | 4

"There's another dimension of the gun issue that often gets overlooked in public discussion over arms-control. The same day that Mr La Pierre spoke last week, the House of Representatives passed an annual US defence budget of $633 billion. That's as much as half of what the entire planet spends on weapons - six times as much as China's
defence budget, for example, notwithstanding the constant claim in US press reports of Beijing's newly "aggressive" military spending."

"Iran, ostensibly the looming threat of the moment, spends just one-90th of the US budget on its own military. So it may be worth asking whether there's any connection between a country accumulating firepower radically disproportionate to any real threat, and the inclination of millions of its citizens to do the same."

"In short, the state of mind that informs American gun culture may be the real mental heath issue raised by the Sandy Hook shooting."

Tony Karon at www.thenational.ae

Posted by: jack point | Jan 8, 2013 1:53:34 PM | 5

The Biology, Morality and Politics of Addiction - Dr Gabor Maté

The system isn't broke, it just the way they want it...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 8, 2013 2:25:39 PM | 6

#7
:-)) this is proven then

"The Multiverse theory for the universe has been a recently accepted theory that describes the continuous formation of universes through the collapse of giant stars and the formation of black holes. With each of these black holes there is a new point of singularity and a new possible universe."

Posted by: somebody | Jan 8, 2013 5:26:34 PM | 8

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"......www.tacocid.com

Posted by: georgeg | Jan 8, 2013 6:35:31 PM | 9

@ georgeg [#9],

2013 – Downtown LA version – PG 21

"Give me your tires, your door

Your muddied masses learning to breathe free

The wretched deluge of your teenage whore

Send these, the homes, foreclosure-tost to me

I pick pockets besides Goldman’s door"

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 8, 2013 7:21:49 PM | 10

It seems my previous entry of this article has been lost in cyberspace.

Does mankind need 'outside help' in order to be able to unite? - It's called Apophis. It's 390m wide. And it could hit Earth in 31 years' time [2005 estimate].

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 8, 2013 7:45:44 PM | 11

@11:

I prefer Kurt Vonnegut Jr's "Mars Army" option in The Sirens of Titan.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 8, 2013 8:08:28 PM | 12

@ Dr. Wellington Yueh [#12],

I'm a great admirer of Kurt, but, if I have to choose between fiction and reality when it comes to asteroids, I don't want to be an illiterate dinosaur.

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 8, 2013 8:52:24 PM | 13

@2: Bot Tak. The invasion and brutal suppression, with tens of thousands of civilians killed in Czechoslovakia (60's), Hungary(50's), Chechnya (90's), Afghanistan (70's) show that the Russian modus operandi when faced with resistance never changes either. How many civilians did Russian forces obliterate in these conflicts? So, you have two choices: Either insist on completely ahistorical, cartoon-like utterances that you seem to be fond of, or be more sophisticated and selective in your analysis. You do behave like a "Bot" (I know, it's Vot, in Russian) when you're around here.

Posted by: kodlu | Jan 8, 2013 10:07:53 PM | 14

@13: Touche.

Although, as I pointed out to a friend in a similar conversation, it doesn't much matter how the universe tries to kill us...we should still be taking preventive measures, eh?

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 8, 2013 10:09:08 PM | 15

14

LOL, very convincing troll.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 8, 2013 10:14:26 PM | 16

9 & 10

There is another version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA4-4ifhixg

The lyrics are listed below the video, but the SoL relevant part goes:

"Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I'll piss on 'em
that's what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard"

11

I think Apophis may have already hit? At least according to this, something did:

http://smotri.com/video/view/?id=v16391954ee

Posted by: вот так | Jan 8, 2013 10:30:06 PM | 17

@14, wasn't Afghanistan Z.Brezinski's "gift" to the Soviets? Hungary, Czechoslovakia? All I know about them is what NYT et al have allowed me to hear. I like to cut the Russians some slack. They don't have oceans to the west and east nor placid nobodies to the north and south.

Posted by: ruralito | Jan 8, 2013 10:47:17 PM | 18

NCIS - Shabbat Shalom... WTF?

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 9, 2013 12:44:42 AM | 19

in international arena, the ubiquitous agent provocateur is fukusi [srael], [1] but in south asia, its more like fukusi[india]

i wonder if anyone notice that nepal *blocked* chinese participation in the latest saarc conference ? [2]

those uninitiated might ask, * big deal ?*

for china its a big deal, another bitter pill to swallow.
coz in previous occassions, nepal always voted for china ! [3]
in fact, under the monarchy , nepal had always been china friendly.[4]
so much so that the nepalese expect china to be the deterrence to an indian invasion [5] ala sikkim [6]

what gives ?
well, who needs an invasion when fukusi is the master of war by proxies !
nepal is now under maoists rule ;-)

before anyone cry *those damned chicoms*
*this* maoists outfit is another successful fukusi[ndia] joint venture, nurtured in india [7] n get this......it despise the *revisionists* in beijing. !!

*Inquiring minds want to know the answer to another question: Who benefits from the destabilization of the Nepalese state, and the impending success of the anti-China Maoist guerrilla movement? Certainly not China. China’s interest is in promoting regional stability, and the electoral success of the “Marxist-leninist” parties denounced by the Maoists as “revisionists” –
and you can bet that, right now, alarm bells are going off in Beijing* [8]

too late now babe, another ally bites the dust. :-(
china had seen it coming all these years, but what'r are the poor engineers in beijing to do, faced with the seasoned criminals in washington n london. ?

so china got screwed twice over.
first, another of its staunchest ally got zapped, then it got framed
for the maoists *regime change* [9] PLUS the palace massacre in 2002 [10]
easy does it eh ,fukusans would lap it up hook line n sinkers, u know, maoists = chicoms is a no brainer ?
SOBs !

* are ‘democracies’ inherently evil ?*, ask the man
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/18/its-no-longer-god-bless-the-usa-its-god-help-the-usa/comment-page-1/
u be the judge

notes
[1] *Pick any ongoing conflict in the world and see if you do not see the secret hands of fukusi busily at work fanning the flames.
These flames are the legends *
http://www.countercurrents.org/chamberlin110908.htm
[theorom 2]


[2] http://www.dhakacourier.com.bd/?p=3251
*Beijing, no doubt, was annoyed with Kathmandu for Prime Minister Bhattarai’s role in the recently concluded Saarc summit in Maldives. China sought to become a dialogue partner of Saarc which was opposed by Nepal and India
......................
China has apparently lost confidence in the present government headed by pro-Indian Baburam Bhattarai of UCPN (Maoist).


[3] *in the recent past, particularly beginning at the 13th summit in Dhaka in November 2005 where Nepal played a yeoman’s role in getting SAARC to agree to grant China observer status.
It was Nepal’s threat to ‘veto’ proposals to grant Afghanistan membership and Japan observer status, if China’s request for observer status was not also to be acceded to, that finally resulted in agreement, at the apex level, on all three decisions.
..............
The US’s interest in the matter is particularly significant not merely because it came rather abruptly but, specifically, since it was timed just a month after the SAARC decision in Dhaka on China’s association with the organization. That it was followed almost on its heels by South Korea is also revealing in its own way, as is that of the EU which broadly shares the American worldview. Japan, of course, had already been granted a similar status within SAARC simultaneously with China.
Though it is bound to be hotly denied by the powers that be, there is more than just a whiff of anti-China phobia in the sudden interest by powers that are either distant from South Asia or else had not shown any interest in the matter before Dhaka, 2005
*
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94


[4]
*Nepal has two imminent neighbours and we have countless problems with our neighbour in the South and not a single problem with our neighbour in the North. This is why, both the countries, Nepal and China, enjoy very cordial and harmonious relations at the government level as well as at the people's level.
Our relations are thus illustrated as "High like the Mountains and Deep as the Oceans".

http://web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94">http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94">http://web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94

[ now that nepal is in fukusi's hand, this site,
http://www.peoplesreview.com.np/
which has been a treasure trove of fukusi shenanigans in south asia, has become dyfunctional]*

[5] * Nepal does have a neighbor in China, which has to safeguard its own security interests, mainly in Tibet. Those who have seen New Delhi sending troops to Sri Lanka in 1980s to rescue Tamils involved in a separatist movement do not believe that India would repeat that exercise in Nepal. *
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HJ24Df01.html

[6] http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621


[7] http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=60475

[8] http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2001/06/11/chaos-in-katmandu/

[9] http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=5219
[not only does this asshole blame china for the maoists take over in nepal, he also claims china is behind the *maoists* movement in india...without providing a shred of evidence !
there's a chinese saying for this, *the robbers are crying robbery !!*


[10] http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336484/postsif u read thru the thread, basically the indians n their murikans soul mates were saying india had been the guardian of nepal against chinese aggression [sic] AND the 2002 palace massacre was perpetrated by china.
SOBS

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 12:48:14 AM | 20

in international arena, the ubiquitous agent provocateur is fukusi [srael], [1] but in south asia, its more like fukusi[india]

i wonder if anyone notice that nepal *blocked* chinese participation in the latest saarc conference ? [2]

those uninitiated might ask, * big deal ?*

for china its a big deal, another bitter pill to swallow.
coz in previous occassions, nepal always voted for china ! [3]
in fact, under the monarchy , nepal had always been china friendly.[4]
so much so that the nepalese expect china to be the deterrence to an indian invasion [5] ala sikkim [6]

what gives ?
well, who needs an invasion when fukusi is the master of war by proxies !
nepal is now under maoists rule ;-)

before anyone cry *those damned chicoms*
*this* maoists outfit is another successful fukusi[ndia] joint venture, nurtured in india [7] n get this......it despise the *revisionists* in beijing. !!

*Inquiring minds want to know the answer to another question: Who benefits from the destabilization of the Nepalese state, and the impending success of the anti-China Maoist guerrilla movement? Certainly not China. China’s interest is in promoting regional stability, and the electoral success of the “Marxist-leninist” parties denounced by the Maoists as “revisionists” –
and you can bet that, right now, alarm bells are going off in Beijing* [8]

too late now babe, another ally bites the dust. :-(
china had seen it coming all these years, but what'r are the poor engineers in beijing to do, faced with the seasoned criminals in washington n london. ?

so china got screwed twice over.
first, another of its staunchest ally got zapped, then it got framed
for the maoists *regime change* [9] PLUS the palace massacre in 2002 [10]
easy does it eh ,fukusans would lap it up hook line n sinkers, u know, maoists = chicoms is a no brainer ?
SOBs !

* are ‘democracies’ inherently evil ?*, ask the man
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/18/its-no-longer-god-bless-the-usa-its-god-help-the-usa/comment-page-1/
u be the judge

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 12:54:41 AM | 21

notes
[1] *Pick any ongoing conflict in the world and see if you do not see the secret hands of fukusi busily at work fanning the flames.
These flames are the legends *
www.countercurrents.org/chamberlin110908.htm
[theorom 2]


[2] www.dhakacourier.com.bd/?p=3251
*Beijing, no doubt, was annoyed with Kathmandu for Prime Minister Bhattarai’s role in the recently concluded Saarc summit in Maldives. China sought to become a dialogue partner of Saarc which was opposed by Nepal and India
......................
China has apparently lost confidence in the present government headed by pro-Indian Baburam Bhattarai of UCPN (Maoist).

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 12:59:40 AM | 22

[3] *in the recent past, particularly beginning at the 13th summit in Dhaka in November 2005 where Nepal played a yeoman’s role in getting SAARC to agree to grant China observer status.
It was Nepal’s threat to ‘veto’ proposals to grant Afghanistan membership and Japan observer status, if China’s request for observer status was not also to be acceded to, that finally resulted in agreement, at the apex level, on all three decisions.
..............
The US’s interest in the matter is particularly significant not merely because it came rather abruptly but, specifically, since it was timed just a month after the SAARC decision in Dhaka on China’s association with the organization. That it was followed almost on its heels by South Korea is also revealing in its own way, as is that of the EU which broadly shares the American worldview. Japan, of course, had already been granted a similar status within SAARC simultaneously with China.
Though it is bound to be hotly denied by the powers that be, there is more than just a whiff of anti-China phobia in the sudden interest by powers that are either distant from South Asia or else had not shown any interest in the matter before Dhaka, 2005
*
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94


[4]
*Nepal has two imminent neighbours and we have countless problems with our neighbour in the South and not a single problem with our neighbour in the North. This is why, both the countries, Nepal and China, enjoy very cordial and harmonious relations at the government level as well as at the people's level.
Our relations are thus illustrated as "High like the Mountains and Deep as the Oceans".

web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94

[ now that nepal is in fukusi's hand, this site,
http://www.peoplesreview.com.np/
which has been a treasure trove of fukusi shenanigans in south asia, has become dyfunctional]*

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 1:01:02 AM | 23

[5] * Nepal does have a neighbor in China, which has to safeguard its own security interests, mainly in Tibet. Those who have seen New Delhi sending troops to Sri Lanka in 1980s to rescue Tamils involved in a separatist movement do not believe that India would repeat that exercise in Nepal. *
www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HJ24Df01.html

[6] www.nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 1:03:37 AM | 24

[7] newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=60475

[8]original.antiwar.com/justin/2001/06/11/chaos-in-katmandu/

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 1:04:30 AM | 25

[[9]www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=5219
[not only does this asshole blame china for the maoists take over in nepal, he also claims china is behind the *maoists* movement in india...without providing a shred of evidence !
there's a chinese saying for this, *the robbers are crying robbery !!*


[10] www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336484/postsif u read thru the thread, basically the indians n their murikans soul mates were saying india had been the guardian of nepal against chinese aggression [sic] AND the 2002 palace massacre was perpetrated by china.
SOBS

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 1:05:06 AM | 26

14) You should get at least the facts right - nobody got killed in Czechoslovakia in 1968 as their resistance was non violent. Chechnya got really bad after the fall of the Soviet Union and with the influx of formerly US and still Saudi Arabian supported Salafis fighting indigenous Sufis and arguably it was not the Soviet Union destroying Afghanistan but same originally US supported Salafi Jihadists not to mention what NATO did after the Soviets left.
Deaths in Hungary were "over 2,500 Hungarians and 700 Soviet troops killed" in 1956 according to Wikipedia. And I agree with Vat Tak - Western colonialist policies have been the same since the Opium Wars

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 2:12:19 AM | 27

Debunking the latest spate of lies about Chavez and Venezuela being spread by the usual suspects:

Exposing Five Key Media Myths about Chavez’s Health and Swearing-in

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7595

"1) The Venezuelan government is being secretive about Chavez’s health
2) It is unconstitutional if Chavez doesn’t take the oath of office on 10 January
3) Should elections have to be called, they may not be “fair”, and opposition leader Henrique Capriles has a good chance of winning
4) A split within the Chavista leadership between Maduro and Cabello is coming
5) That the revolution is over without Chavez"

Those are the lies, check out the link for the debunking.

Proactive countering the fascists:

Venezuela’s Chavez won’t Swear-in on 10 January, Large Rally Planned in Support

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7596

"The PSUV has called for a large concentration at 10am on 10 January outside the Miraflores Palace.

“Everyone, come to Caracas... to support the president... Chavez in a firm way in the streets...to make the will of the people, expressed in the 7 October elections, respected,” Cabello said during a press conference today.

Some presidents have also confirmed that they will be in Caracas on 10 January in a show of solidarity, including Uruguay’s President Jose Mujica and Bolivia’s Evo Morales.

According to Cabello, the opposition umbrella group, the MUD, has also called for a “civic strike” from the 10th onwards.

“If that happens, the people will be in the streets to defeat it or any action that the opposition tries to take to destabilise the government,” he said."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 3:58:40 AM | 28

Repercussions of the Muslim Brotherhood strategy:
Christians of the Levant fear displacement

Simultaneously, calamities in Syria were beginning to intensify, while the wave of extremism and religious targeting continued to increase. Many Christian figures were killed, in addition to a collective displacement of Christians in many regions of Homs, as Sister Anies Salib — a prioress at a convent in Homs — told the Lebanese media. AFP reported that Mohamed al-Sansawi, a leader of a Jihadist group in the Bab al-Hawa region near the Syrian-Turkish border, said that the aim of the revolution is “to establish an Islamic state in Syria and Lebanon, the home of casinos and prostitutes.”

France has tried to absorb this resentment. Late in 2011, French Prime Minister Francois Fillon assigned Sen. Adrian Gotiron, a member of the French Senate and head of the Lebanese-French Friendship Commission, to assess the situation of the Christians of the Levant. Gotiron commenced his mission by visiting the Vatican for consultations. However, many French experts described him as an “amateur” when it comes to foreign policies. It was said that his assignment was a mere cover-up of the real facts.

Amid widespread concerns, a slip of the tongue ignited more fears. Gotiron said in a speech on the background of his mission that “political and religious leaders are calling for the avoidance of collective displacement.” His statement prompted many questions: What exactly is required then? Individual displacement? Or a low-profile disguised displacement?

Alain Juppe, the French Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time, preceded Gotiron with a similar slip-up. On Oct. 11, 2011, he was asked during a cabinet discussion session before the National Assembly about the conditions of Copts, to which he replied: “We were not content with words and speeches, we welcomed all those who were the victims of threats, violent acts and terrorism. The same was done in Iraq, as we brought 1,300 Iraqi Christians to France as a part of an inclusive program.”

These two stances were enough to raise concern among the Christians of Lebanon and Syria. Many figures accused Paris and other European capitals of plotting to displace Christians in exchange for oil, gas and preserving France’s interest in Doha and Riyadh. Juppe tried to refute this argument in an article published in a Lebanese newspaper on March 1, 2012, in which he addressed the Christians of the Levant, yet failed to put out the fire.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 4:15:12 AM | 29

20-25

Interesting material.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 4:17:24 AM | 30

See also:

The Future is Young
When did India Become Part of Israel’s Stable?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/08/when-did-india-become-part-of-israels-stable/

"The Salafist treatment is part of a Machiavellian formula hatched by India with its newest partner, Israel. Salafists deserve free speech as much as anyone, but the reason India accords more of it to them is on the advice of Israel. Israel promotes Islamophobia as part of its strategy of demonizing Palestinians and Arabs, a majority of whom are Muslims, and the Salafist brand of Islam fits Israel’s agenda of portraying Islam as an extremist ideology. This stokes the flames of the more extreme nationalist Hindu groups in India and plays on the fears of many other non-Muslim groups, as well. Since Pakistan is an external Muslim enemy, such demonization helps to unify non-Muslim India and permit popular tolerance of greater government control as well as encroachment of security forces on civil rights and privacy....

A case in point is the role that Israel is playing. The self-proclaimed Jewish state is selling itself to India as a worthwhile ally on the basis that it is a) an experienced and effective leader in the fight against Islamist extremism and terrorism, b) a supplier of high-tech weapons and intelligence, and c) a means of access to U.S. support and cooperation. In effect, Israel is saying that both states have common friends and enemies and that Israel is in a position to provide what India needs.

India appears to be buying, and is currently the largest customer for Israeli military arms systems and services. Never mind that the expensive Iron Dome systems are effective less than 50% of the time against rockets from Gaza that use 16th century technology. Like most governments, India has been seduced by the promise of omniscient surveillance systems and the prospect of winning battles rather than preventing them.

This is obviously a devil’s bargain. True to the nature of such contracts, however, are the surprises that await the unwary. It is instructive to remember that Israeli agents once planted bombs in Baghdad synagogues to encourage Iraq’s Jews to emigrate to Israel. (It worked, and encouraged Iraqi thugs toward violence, as well.)

Since then, Israel has stolen nuclear weapon technology and weapons grade fissionable material from the U.S., conducted the most massive spying operation in U.S. history against its “ally”, and staged numerous assassinations and “black ops” actions outside its borders, including friendly countries. Questions currently surround the killing of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria and the putative assassination attempt on Israeli diplomats in India. Israel blamed both of these on Iran on the basis of flimsy evidence, possibly fabricated in collaboration with its allies, the violent Mujahedin-e-Khalq Iranian exile group..."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 4:39:15 AM | 31

Israel’s Anti-Black Pogrom

Is the Jewish state becoming Klan country?

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/01/06/israels-anti-black-pogrom/

"A screaming mob of whites gathers in a public square, their placards proclaiming their hatred of blacks, their shouts of "N—-r!" reverberating and bouncing off the walls of nearby shops and homes like the ominous thunder of a coming storm. They loot shops that cater to blacks, and a prominent elected official is at the head of the mob, declaring that blacks are "a cancer" that must be eradicated.

Mississippi in the Sixties? A neo-Nazi rally? A Klan conclave?

No, it’s a recent scene in southern Tel Aviv, Israel, where Likud member of the Knesset Miri Regev – a former IDF spokesperson and prominent political figure – led a well-organized march of ultra-nationalists demanding the expulsion of all blacks from Israel. Just look at the ugliness of these people – listen to them screaming "White Power"! And here are the Jewish Hitlers, proclaiming their desire to set up a "Jewish monarchy." A few extremists? No. Israel’s Interior Minister has pledged to ship all blacks back to Africa, and the issue of the African refugees has become the major issue in Israel’s election campaign.

Rising ultra-nationalist star Naftali Bennett, of the religious fundamentalist "Jewish Home" party, is demanding their immediate expulsion in order to preserve the "purity" of the Jewish state. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for his part, has pledged to get rid of the Africans in short order, and ordered the construction of a "security fence" bordering the Sinai, where most of the refugees turn up seeking asylum from Africa’s wars..."

He's not exaggerating, check out the embedded links showing these people in action in the full editorial linked above.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 4:51:28 AM | 32

bottak 2

*At the end of WWII writes William Blum, "The ink on the Japanese surrender treaty was hardly dry when the United States began to use the Japanese soldiers still in China alongside American troops in a joint effort against the Chinese communists." *
http://www.voltairenet.org/article177063.html

this is one of my *template*
every time some fukusan bleats that
*we saved ur ass from the japs in ww2, dont u forget that*

i used this to shut them up for good ;-)

Posted by: denk | Jan 9, 2013 5:39:42 AM | 33

So the fsa terrorists now decided they're going to release the 48 Iranian pilgrims they held hostage and accused them of being IRGC forces?? What gives?

Posted by: Zico | Jan 9, 2013 5:47:22 AM | 34

So this is over? From RT "Prisoner swap: 2,130 Syrians for 48 Iranian 'pilgrims'"

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 5:51:49 AM | 35

Either the Iranians were in fact military personel, or the Syrian Government can afford to hand over 2,000 prisoners. The setback that releasing these prisoners could cause them leads me to believe that these Iranians were in fact more than just pilgrims.

Not a bad result for the rebels. I wonder who tipped them off..

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jan 9, 2013 6:27:53 AM | 36

Pat Bateman @ 35

I'll argue the complete opposite. Time's proven that the abduction of these pilgrims' had not effect on the cause of the war for the fsa terrorists. In fact, they've suffered more setbacks over the months.

The swap also includes "several" Turkish nationals. The 2000 figure, if they're all fsa terrorists won't make much difference either.Where will they be staying? If they'll be in Syria, then the authorities will certainly be keeping an eye on them. I don't think the Syrian government will just "let them go" if they couldn't afford to. As a matter of fact, the government's been releasing detainees who have no "Syrian blood on their hands" for quite sometime now. The release detainees could also become informants for the government and I doubt they'll be fully accepted back in the fsa's fold.

Mind you most of the Syrians that joined the fsa are less educated and therefore easily brainwashed. A little education in prison would've certainly helped change their views. If I were an fsa, I'd avoid these released detainees like a plague.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 9, 2013 6:41:17 AM | 37

from press tv: "An undisclosed number of Turkish nationals arrested by Syrian security forces in recent months were among those released by Damascus in the swap deal."

other nationals, too?

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 6:51:19 AM | 38

The "Turkish nationals" could be the Turkish pilots that were recently captured in Allepo..

Posted by: Zico | Jan 9, 2013 7:06:30 AM | 39

@Zico
2,130 is a huge number, and for 50 Iranian civilians? I don't buy it. But how important must these individuals have been to Iran if such an exchange was agreed? Or is it a case of how little the Syrian Government values the prisoners they've released in exchange for Iran's loyalty? Well, whilst I'll agree with you that the abduction has made little difference on the ground, I'd add that this probably has more to do with the fact that hundreds more Iranians arrived in their place. So I'm none the wiser.

It could in fact all be a good will gesture between the opposing sides - the exchange coming shortly after Assad's olive branch on Sunday.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jan 9, 2013 8:32:39 AM | 40

To "somebody"

I'm copying/pasting this from the previous thread ("Syria Assad speech"):

#134

The political battle is between Assad, representing the sovereign state of Syria, and the insurgent lead by foreign powers. You yourself, in several occasions have stated that your preference goes with Assad, lacking any better choice. I translate this, politically, into:

"if I was a simple Syrian citizen I would have followed the leadership of Assad in the current situation"

Am I correct?

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 9:21:35 AM | 41

40 ? What has this comment got to do with me? I probably would have emigrated a long time ago.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 10:07:36 AM | 42

somebody,

In the previous thread at #134 you stated:

"Yeah, continuing #131, Assad as a matter of fact seems to be unable to integrate anyone, not even this group."

Since you have implied several times before that between the muslim extremists and Assad you are inclined toward the latter I think its a legitinate question to ask: if you were a simple Syrian citizen, with no means to emigrate, who will you follow in the current situation ?

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 10:38:19 AM | 43

42) I would not follow anyone, I woould try to survive using all my wit.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 11:13:02 AM | 44

How can Bashar el-Assad remain or become the Grand Leader the Immaculate President or Legit head of State, when he could not defend his country from “foreign terrorists”? While having a consequent army and an efficient security apparatus? And the ppl on his side? As claimed?

In these civil war situations, atrocities aka using the means to hand to indiscriminately kill, squash, repress, incapacitate, contain, such as cutting electricity, bombing, snipers, senseless torture, to name just a few, are used by both (or all) sides.

The will to control and destroy accomplish nothing and both (all) sides lose face and legitimacy.

A stalemate steeped in blood. ... ...

Once the conflict grinds down and halts - through deathly exhaustion, an empty, scarred land, imposed from outside, whatever - murderous revenge sets in and blooms, as the conflict was framed and proceeded thru sectarian, ethnic, tribal, etc. grounds - personal belonging and connections trump all (as they did before in a forcibly socially accepted way btw), leaving politics, governance, economics, off the agenda. The end of the conflict does not equal a resolution.

The best Assad can hope for is some kind of exile, or the partitioning of Syria and keeping hold of a small Alawite strong hold. Don’t think that will happen.

The US_West is just playing a waiting game, swoop in when destruction is complete, and gang up with the winners.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 9, 2013 11:21:06 AM | 45

#43

Sorry about insisting but I want to understand the essence of your logic.

So you believe (or hope?) you can gather followers with this political recomendation of yours: Bunker down and isolate yourself from any current lead, in a context of high crisis?

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 11:32:32 AM | 46

44, Noirette, I think Assad has just won, as "the West" and presumably "the Gulf" are too afraid of any alternative. The prisoner swap including Turkish nationals could mean the Turks and the Assad government have been communicating. It is a Turkish organization observing the swap in Damascus just now. It is possible however that it was a Turkey/Iranian deal and the pilgrims were held in Turkey like this Russian journalist:

Maria Finoshina ‏@MFinoshina_RT
2 separate sources in #Syria & #Lebanon:#AnharKochneva kidnapped in #Syria currently held in #Turkey;negotiations on her release in progress

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 11:33:18 AM | 47

45) It is not a political recommendation it is just common sense behaviour. Mind you there is snow in Syria now, hardly any fuel and a lack of electricity. So my mind would be preoccupied with basic needs.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 12:09:52 PM | 48

#45

It doesn't look like we are addressing the same issue here.

I thought your answer was reagarding the question I was asking, basically which side you choose in this conflict. Now you are saying that it was about staying sheltered and warm.

Foreign powers are spearheading a polarization politique inside Syria. To get to the kind of internal peace that is the only conduit to reform and genuine political pluralism the Syrian state has to fight the extremism (of a Salafi and Alqaeda kind). So the question remain, after having stayed warm and cosy, which side you choose ?

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 12:34:53 PM | 49

Should read #47

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 12:35:44 PM | 50

48, this is getting silly, I am out of this discussion now. Of course nobody can be forced to chose a side if he/she does not want to.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 12:40:01 PM | 51

#50

Agree, I'm out too !

But pls don't deform my question. I wasn't forcing anyone to choose. I was simply asking what is your political RECOMENDATION in this case.

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 12:59:38 PM | 52

44

LOL. The "all sides are bad" routine.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 1:19:31 PM | 53

What is the formula for calculating the volume of mozzarella in the stuffed crust?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 9, 2013 1:23:53 PM | 54

Does anyone have more specifics about the makeup of the 2130 prisoners released by Syria? InAntalya at DKos (a Turkish citizen who knows Furkan Dogan's family) is reporting:

There are also reports of a great deal of speculation that the four Turks who have been released so far are the four Turkish pilots who were reportedly captured by Syrian government forces late last month while trying to infiltrate a Syrian air base. The Turkish military has officially stated that no Turkish military pilots have been sent to or captured in Syria.

The Turkish Government has refrained from commenting on today's events other than to say that they are 'commendable developments'.

Speaking of Furkan Dogan, it is interesting that the Turkish NGO involved in brokering the prisoner exchange was IHH, the same organization that supported the Free Gaza flotilla by sending the Mavi Marmara. Was Assad burnishing his pro-Palestinian credentials by working through this organization, or are there just no other Turkish groups that he trusts?

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Jan 9, 2013 1:31:02 PM | 55

54

"Does anyone have more specifics about the makeup of the 2130 prisoners released by Syria?"

I've seen it claimed it is 4 Turks, 1 Palestinian and the rest Syrian.

This prisoner exchange should be no surprise given the recent speech by Assad. They want dialog, not war, and the prisoner swap is sign of "good faith" being offered by the government. The exchange has probably been in the works for a while. Others are probably also and there may be more one sided exchanges like this in an attempt to take the edge off of moderate opposition hostility towards the government to get the dialog rolling.

The Iranians are unlikely to be more than pilgrims. They were all on a bus when captured. Apparently unarmed and without a Syrian army escort. Given the large number of the Iranians captured, I really doubt the mercs fielded by Israel-America would have been able to capture that number of special forces troops. I doubt they would even try.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 3:04:37 PM | 56

#55

I saw their pictures and video in an Iranian media outlet being cheered by the diplomats in their embassy in Damascus. They were between 30 and 60 years old male hardly special forces type.

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 3:43:13 PM | 57

ATH @ 56

Indeed, those old men could hardly be spec forces. If they were really spec forces and in Syria on the invite of the Syrian government, why were they travelling on their on without any state security escort? The fsa used that propaganda to pressure the Iranian government and also to tarnish Iran's image in the Arab world. Like I said, it appears it didn't have much effect on the war and the fsa keep getting clobbered at every turn.


Another strange thing is the lack of images/vids of the 2000+ release "detainees". Do they even exists? I think it's another fsa propaganda to make them look good. What we do know, though, is that these pilgrims were swapped with some Turkish detainees. The question now is who these Turks were and what were they doing in Syria. So far, the Turkish media's decided to play the Ostrich and go with Davutoglu's narrative. Almost all the Turkish media organizations are scared of going against Sultan Erdogan.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 9, 2013 3:53:58 PM | 58

Like I said, it appears it didn't have much effect on the war and the fsa keep getting clobbered at every turn.

What you are actually saying is that it is a
demoralizing blow to the failed military policies of the Germans off the coast of Turkey,
the English in Southern Turkey and the French in Northern Lebanon. The Syrian army has quickly learned
the counter insurgency skills and now it has finally gained the upper hand.

Posted by: hans | Jan 9, 2013 4:34:06 PM | 59

The prisoner exchange isn't a top story on the BBC. Probably because hostage taking is not looked on with approval in the sanctimonious West. It died out in the Middle Ages.

Posted by: dh | Jan 9, 2013 4:54:10 PM | 60

Or maybe they just do not want to know

"Most of the prisoners to be swapped are Syrian citizens in exchange for Iranians, and there are a few Turks as well," IHH board member Osman Atalay told Reuters. Citizens of other countries were also among those to be released by the Syrian government, he said.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 9, 2013 5:02:59 PM | 61

@ Noirette [#44],

Q: How can Bashar el-Assad remain or become the Grand Leader the Immaculate President or Legit head of State, when he could not defend his country from “foreign terrorists”? While having a consequent army and an efficient security apparatus? And the ppl on his side? As claimed?

R: You do a 'Waco' on them. That's the lesson governments learned from the French revolution. Do not, repeat, do not hesitate to unleash all hell upon ye populace.

Nobody can fight guerrilla warfare. That's why it's so successful, especially if the 'freedom friers' don't give a shit about ordinary lives being destroyed in the process.

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 9, 2013 6:55:11 PM | 62

@ hans [#58],

Q: The Syrian army has quickly learned the counter insurgency skills and now it has finally gained the upper hand.

R: the following is pure guessing and speculating - I think that a few countries [especially Russia and Iran] don't want Assad to be kicked out, because it would mean they lose either a strategic base or 'ally.' My other guess would be that the country with the biggest 'expertise' in 'counter -fill in whatever' would be Russia [although they fucked up big time when dealing with Chechen rebels coming home to roost. Link + Link].

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 9, 2013 7:03:19 PM | 63

b: "A pizza with the radius "z" and the height "a" has a volume of: Pi*z*z*a"

Unless that pizza is the subject of "negotiations" between Israel and Palestine, in which case the volume of the pizza is shrinking at the rate described by this equation: pizza = wb - se*t
where
wb = volume of territory in the West Bank in June 1967
se = rate of settlement expansion per annum
t = time wasted by sham negotiations

This is an oversimplification, of course, since se is itself increasing at a furious rate and will increase exponentially during the course of the next Netanyahu government.


Posted by: Johnboy | Jan 9, 2013 7:35:17 PM | 64

Saudi Arabia has adopted the Israeli and American attitude towards fair trials and humane forms of punishment:

Saudi Arabia beheads young migrant maid for killing infant

http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-beheading-maid-666/

"Nafeek was only 17-years-old when she flew to the Gulf Kingdom in May 2005 on a forged passport that said she was 6 years older than she actually was. She had no training and spoke no Arabic, and the incident is said to have occurred just days after her arrival in the country.

Rights groups claim her 2007 conviction was made under duress and have chastised Saudi authorities for carrying out the death penalty despite the fact that she was not legally an adult when the infant died.

Prior to her execution, Amnesty International said Nafeek had no access to lawyers either during her pre-trial interrogation or trial."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 8:54:26 PM | 66

Shimon Peres: President Obama would hit Iran

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/israeli-prez-obama-would-hit-iran-85942.html?hp=r4

“They (the United States) don’t begin by shooting. They try all the other means first — economic sanctions, political pressure, negotiations, everything possible,” Peres told The New York Times. ““But in the end, if none of this works, then President Obama will use military power against Iran. I am sure of it.”

They forgot the rest of what he said:

"How am I sure of it? Because I own him."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 9:28:14 PM | 67

#66

He can't even be sure if tomorrow he will get off of his bed.
90 years old, completely senile and a classic hypocrite. Should we even care about what he "think" or say ?

Posted by: ATH | Jan 9, 2013 10:11:42 PM | 68

67

"90 years old, completely senile and a classic hypocrite. Should we even care about what he "think" or say?"

I agree and I also don't think he is any different than Netanyahu. But he is like a God to many of the liberal zionists. Liad Hussein Kantorowicz nails him at about 6:00 in this presentation (the rest of it ain't too shaby, either):

Shakira-Sharika/Lies

http://vimeo.com/37060339

There was a glitch posting this originally - sorry if this post ends up double posted.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 9, 2013 11:15:48 PM | 69

Call your Senators and let them know there are millions of us out here who support President Obama's nomination of Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense. Keep contacting them.

Posted by: Kathleen | Jan 10, 2013 12:56:09 AM | 70

after the betrayal of prez for *change*
now we've a defence [sic] sec for *change* ?
fool me once.......

Posted by: denk | Jan 10, 2013 1:43:14 AM | 71

scott kuhnen
*The Defense Sec serves at the pleasure of the president.
Hagel will go along with the program, or he will be gone.
This is just another "Hope and Change" bone thrown to the liberals.
It will turn out like the last "Hope and Change" trojan horse.
The opposition to Hagel is just smoke and mirrors.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33577.htm

Posted by: denk | Jan 10, 2013 3:13:26 AM | 72

Why Hagel was picked.

Posted by: Maracatu | Jan 10, 2013 6:20:58 AM | 73

Maracatu 72

like the man says
*The Defense Sec serves at the pleasure of the president*
n every murikan prez works for the mic..............
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/09/open-thread-2012-23.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef017c323f9644970b

Posted by: denk | Jan 10, 2013 10:13:20 AM | 74

The oil and gas situation in the South China Sea is a very real source of conflict (see link below). China building four carriers right now and six more starting in 2013-14 means that the Dragon is NOT mere posturing, and is clearly trying to muscle in, while at the same time gauging the US reaction. What with the war du jour with Iran temporarily on hold as the US hopes for yet another coup in Iran (because all of the previous US sponsored coups in the Middle East and South America have produced such stalwart and reliable allies in these regions), China wants to measure the US reaction in case things go sour for China in Iran (i.e. a blockade of the Straits or severe production disruptions in Iran as the government falls and is replaced).

You can read the writing on the wall here -- continued meddling by the US with China's oil supply will prompt China to lay claim to the South China Sea. Yet another headache for a US navy and air force stretched way too thin due to watching all the canals and global choke-points, supplying and supporting 2 divisions in Afghanistan, keeping a credible threat on Iran, along with the other 80 or so bases globally that need supplied, maintained, and so forth.

Mark my words, the WW3's Pacific Theater will be in the South China Sea.

Long Lockheed! (/sarc)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/04/us-china-sea-idUSBRE8B303M20121204

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 10, 2013 11:10:58 AM | 75

I see the no. labels of posts somehow got mixed up in this discussion.

Several questions / answers to my (only so far in this thread) post *45* were not addressed to me or the post, they made no sense. Some responses were addressed to post 44 with my name, Noirette at 44:....eg. Daniel, somebody..

Bot Tak addresses post 44, which I presume to the one I made at 45:

Bot Tak, I carefully - I thought! - skirted away from the argument ‘all sides are bad’ - what I wrote was that all those (sides, factions, etc.) who oppress, torture, maim and kill (bomb) lose face and legitimacy. The horrors are face to face (or imagined, scripted in that way) and ppl have long memories.

Amplifying a bit, the post-war scenario will be rife with murderous and long-lasting grudges leading to at worst, an ongoing war of attrition (so not post-war really) at best the grudging acknowledgement of a new order, state of affairs, which has to be accepted for survival.

it is very good to concentrate on posts or opinions / stances etc. rather than particular ppl. But then it may get messy and incomprehensible?

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 10, 2013 11:33:25 AM | 76

On second thought, if China were to start a war, it will be short-lived. Nations full of one child families do not engage in long wars, as the death of a soldier equals the end of a family line. And nations with two generations of only children get two family lines dead-ending with a single death. Even rabid nationalism cannot overcome that kind of self-interest for long. "Bring the Boys Back Home" would be the Chinese national anthem within a year of the start of hostilities.

China also doesn't have the resources to take on the whole world, or even the whole world excluding Russia. They should be choosing their battles more carefully and taking on nations one at a time. Their current trajectory is to take on the whole rest of Asia, which will bring in, at the minimum, the US, UK and Australia, and they don't have nearly the ability to battle that coalition.

It is looking a bit like Germany's territorial excursions circa 1938. One little adjacent country may be easy to take, two may be possible, but three including a big bear or lion is an overreach with fatal consequences.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 10, 2013 11:35:12 AM | 77

Is Saudi Arabia Shifting Its Stance On Syria?

Posted by: somebody | Jan 10, 2013 12:04:49 PM | 78

Hard to decide what to quote from this article, it's all very worthwhile, and he title doesn't really do it justice, so leaving it at that was out, also. So I quoted the middle portion.

Why Authority is the Enemy
The Hierarchy of the Machine

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/10/the-hierarchy-of-the-machine/

"...A hierarchy is a mechanism by which an actor at one rung of authority is able to shift cost and effort downward, while appropriating the benefits from others’ efforts. In a hierarchy, the authority of those above is substituted for the experience-based judgment of those in direct contact with a situation. The judgment of the person best qualified to do a job is always subject to interference from someone with less knowledge, whose primary interest is in living off the surplus effort of those below.

When authority-based rules are allowed to interfere with the experience-based judgement of those actually in a situation, the result can only be a net reduction in efficiency and rationality. So the question is, how does such a suboptimal state of affairs continue?

The answer, to put it bluntly, is that it makes us easier to milk. The self-interest of those in authority lies not in optimizing the efficiency of the system as a whole, but in maximizing their own extraction of rents from it. Their interest is in maximizing the absolute size of their slice of the pie, even if doing so results in a smaller pie overall.

Those in authority cannot afford to do the most efficient thing — stop interfering with the judgments of those who actually know what they’re doing — because they know their interests are diametrically opposed to ours...."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 10, 2013 6:52:18 PM | 79

Gitmo Judge: Evidence Exonerating Detainee Must Remain Secret
Held for 11 Years, Businessman Likely Was Innocent

http://news.antiwar.com/2013/01/09/gitmo-judge-evidence-exonerating-detainee-must-remain-secret/

"Long-standing Guantanamo Bay detainee Wali Mohammed will have his day in court, at least to the extent that the military tribunal system counts as “court,” but the evidence exonerating him of the allegations against him will not, according to Judge Rosemary Collyer.

Mohammed’s lawyers had sought evidence related to the “confidence source” of claims he was a terrorist financier for al-Qaeda, evidence which could prove that he was an innocent businessman who was sold to the US on fake charges for refusing to pay a bribe.

Judge Collyer conceded that the evidence in question would be “extremely helpful” to Mohammed’s lawyers in making the case, and could well secure his outright release, nearly 11 years into his detention. Still, she insisted it was “too secret” to allow the lawyers to have access to."

McCarthyism never died in the USA, it only changed its name.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 10, 2013 7:06:24 PM | 80

Demanding the right to digitally protest: Hacktivists petition the White House to legalize DDoS

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-ddos-attacks-legal-736/

"Is temporarily slowing down a website a legal form of protest? Current US law says it isn’t, but hacktivists want the White House to make changes that would force the government to reconsider their witch-hunt against alleged computer criminals."

Another clandestine move by the people in power. The governments of the USA and Israel are the primary users of this tactic to shut down use of websites critical of themselves. The people who are behind this "petition" should be considered Israeli-American government agents operating under cover.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 10, 2013 7:27:34 PM | 81

re 20-25

normaly i could squeeze dozens of links into a post after
stripping the http\\ part, but it failed this time, so i had to split into 5 posts !

n here're the broken links again
since time inmemorial, nepal china relation was like *mountain
high n ocean deep* [1]

nepal under the monarchy steadfastly rooted for china's
inclusion in saarc
*Could it be that the US has thus chosen to neutralise or dilute
China’s acquisition of observer status by packing SAARC with
member states with which it is more comfortable or which are
more pliable [murikans, euros suddenly falling over themselves
to join the south asian caucus, wtf !
]
......................
in the recent past, particularly beginning at the 13th summit in
Dhaka in November 2005 where Nepal played a yeoman’s role
in getting SAARC to agree to grant China observer status.
It was Nepal’s threat to ‘veto’ proposals to grant Afghanistan
membership and Japan observer status, if China’s request for
observer status was not also to be acceded to, that finally
resulted in agreement, at the apex level, on all three decisions*.

in an ironic twist,
the new *maoists* government joined the fukusi bandwagon to
block china's participation

*Beijing, no doubt, was annoyed with Kathmandu for Prime
Minister Bhattarai’s role in the recently concluded Saarc summit
in Maldives. China sought to become a dialogue partner of
Saarc which was opposed by Nepal and India
......................
China has apparently lost confidence in the present government
headed by pro-Indian Baburam Bhattarai of UCPN (Maoist).
[3]

yet in 2007, this is what bhattarai spoke about fukusi
imperialism against nepal n china..

*During the one-sided Indian economic embargo and revolution
of 1990, instead of surrendering himself to the expansionist
powers, he surrendered to his people. This did not make the
expansionist forces happy. Later, his unwillingness to mobilize
the army—which has a tradition of loyalty towards the King—to
curb the People’s Revolution taking place under the leadership
of Nepal Communist Party (Maoist) became his biggest crime in
the eyes of the imperialist and expansionist powers. Some
Marxist pundits, based on this, called us a pro-monarchy party,
and we can now say that we—NCP(Maoist) and King
Birendra—had similar views on many national issues and this
had created in fact an informal alliance between us. Obviously,
this scared the imperialist powers and their cronies. In the
context of a deteriorating Sino-US relationship and a growing
strategic alliance between India and the US, the King who
appeared soft on us—the Maoists—and China had become an
irritation to the American Imperialists and especially to the Indian
expansionists* [4]

what gives ?
the current maoist owed india a big favor, now is pay up time !!
[5]
absolute power corrupts absolutely ?

*epilogue*
here's how indians n their murikans soul mates framed china for
the crimes they jointly committed, fukusi indeed
[6]
if u read thru the thread, basically they were saying india had
been the guardian of nepal against chinese aggression [sic] AND
the 2002 palace massacre was perpetrated by china.
are democrazies all pathological liars ?


notes
these links were broken earlier

[1]

http://web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94">http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94">http://web.archive.org/web/20071019093308/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3325&Itemid=94

[2]
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94">http://web.archive.org/web/20071024090903/http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=94


[3]
www.dhakacourier.com.bd/?p=3251

[4]
http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/the-letter-of-dr-baburam-bhattarai-on-the-palace-massacre-in-nepal

[5]
*Prachanda himself had earlier admitted that he spent eight of
the 10 insurgency years (1996-2006) in hideouts scattered
across India. Besides, Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab
Mukherjee's claim earlier this year that the Nepali Maoists rose
to power due to New Delhi's support has not been effectively
challenged by the Maoist leadership. *

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KD28Df03.html

[6]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336484/posts

********************************

Cynthia 77
*china = japan circa 1938*

i presume u didnt read this post ?
http://tinyurl.com/auctcpt

Posted by: denk | Jan 11, 2013 6:14:26 AM | 82

I like this guy's take on gun control and gun nuts. The school shooting/gun control discussion has fallen off the radar now so I post it here instead.

Gunslinger

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/01/gunslinger/#more-47192

"When I read about armed men brazenly displaying their assault rifles in the open streets of Portland, I thought, “It’s begun.”

At first I was “relieved” that these guys were just ass-holes and not agents of The State. Then I wondered if maybe they are agents of The State, posing as ass-holes, in order to instill the requisite fear. Brownshirts. Or Blackshirts, or whatever. Defending themselves against whom? Agents of The State, armed with a lot more fire-power, imposing Martial Law? Or the prototypical Bad Guy armed with a six-gun, looking for a duel at the local saloon? I refuse to support “gun control” because the people who’d be “controling” those guns are the ones we should be afraid of. On the other hand, I would be in favor of a “law” allowing armed citizens to “open fire” on ass-holes walking the streets with automatic weapons. So long as they shoot from the windows and remain in the “privacy of their own homes.” These are deranged, puzzling times. Drones in the skies and ass-holes bearing automatic weapons in the streets. While we are still — tenuously — protected by “the law,” isn’t there something a bit illegal about carrying an M-16 to the local 7-Eleven?

In fact, fuck “the law.” Citizens — sane ones — should sign a resolution, and post it, stating that anyone bearing weapons in the street will be considered an immediate threat to the community and shot on sight."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 11, 2013 3:19:57 PM | 83

Israel-America's undercover front, Anonymous, is behind the ddos petition I posted an article about in post 81. As the Israeli and American governments are the main practitioners of ddos website attack I suspected that would turn out to be the case.

“Anonymous” petitions Obama to decriminalize DDos attacks

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_11/Anonymous-petitions-Obama-to-decriminalize-DDos-attacks/

"Whether Anonymous intended the move to be a serious one or not, the fact that the petition has not been taken down, despite the U.S. Government’s stance on hactivism and Anonymous, is surprising if not commendable."

LOL, how about collusive.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 11, 2013 8:46:26 PM | 84

have u heard ?
after the murikans, indians, now the japs say they need to give a huge pay hike to their mic ceos
to upgrade their *defence* capabilities, coz of the rising *chinese threat* hehehe

to my best knowledge, the only jap casaulties in the japan sea so far was inflicted by .......
an murikan sub ;-)

Posted by: denk | Jan 11, 2013 10:48:47 PM | 85

@ denk [#85],

The Japanese economy is nearly dead. Huge QE sessions and endless infrastructure projects turn [and have turned] Japan in to Concreteland. But, hey, you gotta keep yer bribing buddies happy. The current PM's Abe hails from a wealthy political family that includes a grandfather, Nobusuke Kishi, who was a wartime cabinet minister who was imprisoned but never tried as a war criminal after the war, and went on to become prime minister from 1957 to 1960.. So, full circle and back to China.

Taiwan is originally Chinese territory and so were those islands/rocks. After WWII the US promised to give them back, but guess what, it didn't.

P.S. Are you calling my wife a 'jap?'

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 12, 2013 1:09:02 AM | 86

daniel rich 86

ishihara is a jap wingnut

Kiyoshi Inoue is a japanese historian
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/diaohist.html

ur wife is a japanese lady

Posted by: denk | Jan 12, 2013 1:44:53 AM | 87

some shameless self-promotion of poetry.

Posted by: lizard | Jan 12, 2013 1:49:13 AM | 88

@ denk [#87],

Den we cool :o)

Posted by: Daniel Rich | Jan 12, 2013 2:49:30 AM | 89

Gaddafi's curse on France

One French special forces helicopter pilot killed in Mali

Posted by: somebody | Jan 12, 2013 8:39:36 AM | 90

Perhaps Reddit isn't, or wasn't, compliant enough about opening back doors to the Israeli-American security state apparatus (IE: the Gestapo), like their tools, Facebook and Twitter, are?

Reddit co-founder Aaron Swartz commits suicide in midst of controversial trial

http://rt.com/news/aaron-swartz-suicide-reddit-858/

"Many say the lawsuit is unfounded because MIT allows guests access to JSTOR – and Swartz, who was undertaking a fellowship at Harvard’s Safra Center for Ethics at the time of downloading, was a guest.

The case has also been deemed highly controversial because it wasn’t JSTOR – the alleged victim in the case – which referred Swartz to the federal government, according to the company’s vice president of Marketing and Communications, Heidi McGregor. She says JSTOR was content once it reclaimed the works from Swartz.

“We stopped this downloading activity, and the individual responsible, Mr. Swartz, was identified. We secured from Mr. Swartz the content that was taken, and received confirmation that the content was not and would not be used, copied, transferred, or distributed,” the company said in its statement on the prosecution.

The statement went on to say that the investigation was directed by the United States Attorney’s Office.

“This makes no sense. It’s like trying to put someone in jail for allegedly checking too many books out of the library,” Demand Progress Executive Director David Segar said in a statement, as quoted by Wired magazine.

“It’s even more strange because the alleged victim has settled any claims against Aaron, explained they’ve suffered no loss or damage, and asked the government not to prosecute,” Segal said."

Posted by: вот так | Jan 12, 2013 7:02:03 PM | 91

cynthia 77
*China also doesn't have the resources to take on the whole
world, or even the whole world excluding Russia. They should be
choosing their battles more carefully and taking on nations one
at a time. Their current trajectory is to take on the whole rest of
Asia, which will bring in, at the minimum, the US, UK and
Australia, and they don't have nearly the ability to battle that
coalition.*

the scenario of fukus getting dragged in* a conflict, crying n
kicking, is hilarious.....

uncle scam's m.o. isnt exactly rocket science,
1] *no crisis should go to waste*
2] *if there's no crisis, create one n offer the remedy*

i guess u missed this one as well.

p.s. i go to reuters etc only for laugh or get a feel of the current
fukus meme..... it dares to ban me too.


Posted by: denk | Jan 13, 2013 2:13:36 AM | 92

Follow up on the death of Aaron Swartz with more information about him and his work:

Obama’s ‘kill list’ critic found in dead in New York City

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/13/283254/us-kill-list-critic-found-dead-in-ny/

"Prominent American blogger and computer prodigy Aaron Swartz, who spoke against US President Barack Obama’s “kill list” and cyber attacks against Iran, has been found dead in New York.

Police found the body of the 26-year-old in his apartment in New York City borough of Brooklyn on Friday, said a spokeswoman for the city’s chief medical examiner.

Brooklyn’s chief medical examiner ruled the death a suicide by hanging, but no further detail is available about the mysterious death.

Last year, Swartz openly criticized the US and the Israeli regime for launching joint cyber attacks against Iran.

The blogger was also vocal in criticizing Obama’s so-called kill list and other policies.

Obama has been reportedly approving the names put on the “kill lists” used in the targeted killing operations carried out by US assassination drones.

Every week or so, more than 100 members of the US national security team gather via secure video teleconference run by the Pentagon and go over the biographies of suspects in Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan, and “nominate” those who should be targeted in the attacks.

Obama is then provided with the identities of those put on the “kill list” and signs off on every strike in Yemen and Somalia as well as the risky strikes in Pakistan.

Swartz was also widely credited for co-authoring the specifications for the Web feed format RSS 1.0 (Rich Site Summary) which he worked on at age 14.

RSS is designed to deliver content from sites that change constantly, such as news pages, to users.

Swartz was critical of monopoly of information by corporate cartels and believed that information should be shared and available for the benefit of society.

“Information is power. But like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves,” he wrote in an online “manifesto” in 2008.

Based on that belief, the computer prodigy founded the nonprofit group DemandProgress.

The group launched a successful campaign to block a 2011 bill that the US House of Representatives called the Stop Online Piracy Act.

Had it been approved, the bill would have allowed court orders to restrain access to some websites considered to be involved in illegal sharing of intellectual property.

DemandProgress argued that the thwarted Stop Online Piracy Act would have broadly authorized the US government to censor and restrict legitimate Web communication."

Perhaps he made it onto the "kill list"? Either directly, or indirectly. He apparently ticked off enough in the establishment they had the U.S. government put the screws on him. Whether the Israeli-American government pushed him to suicide or outright murdered him, the crime they committed is still murder.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 13, 2013 3:43:21 AM | 93

Of course, they come at night, apparently unlawfully, but with official sanction, just like the KKK...

Israel evicts tent protesters at West Bank settlement

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_13/Israel-evicts-tent-protesters-at-West-Bank-settlement/

"Israeli police have evicted Palestinian and international activists from an area of the West Bank where Israel is planning fresh settlement building.

They had put up around 20 tents in the area called E1, between Jerusalem and the Jewish settlement of Maale Adumim.

Israel's Supreme Court had ruled on Friday that the encampment could remain for six days.

Palestinians fear building in E1 would threaten the viability of a future Palestinian state.

Abir Kopty, spokeswoman for the Popular Struggle Co-ordination Committee, a Palestinian activist group, tweeted that six people had been injured during the eviction and had been taken to hospital.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said there had been no injuries.

The activists had said they wanted to build a village on the site, calling it Bab al-Shams, after a famous novel about Palestinian history.

The activists' tactics in E1 had mirrored those of Israeli settlers who stake their claim to parts of the West Bank by pitching mobile homes on hilltops, known as outposts, which are not officially sanctioned, but which aim to establish "facts on the ground".

Israeli plans to develop the E1 area had been on hold for years until the Palestinians succeeded in December in having their status upgraded at the UN from an "entity" to that of a "non-member observer state".

Posted by: вот так | Jan 13, 2013 4:37:30 AM | 94

NATO in the Pacific. Well, sure, why not? It's NATO Über Alles now.

Dangerous Crossroads: Japan to Seek NATO Support Against China

http://www.globalresearch.ca/dangerous-crossroads-japan-to-seek-nato-support-against-china/5318862

"Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe will write a letter to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to call for closer ties in the face of China’s rising maritime power.

Posted by: вот так | Jan 14, 2013 8:19:33 PM | 96

BOT TAK,

The lack of proportion shown in the prosecution of Aaron Swartz is what bothers me. Huge crimes by bankers are ignored, while they throw the book at Swartz. JSTOR is a road-block thrown up against reading articles published in academic journals, a huge proportion of them in the humanities. This limits the spread of knowledge for the purpose of generating profits for the owners of JSTOR. (Who are they, by the way?) Why this sense of appalling vengeance on the part of the DOJ.

Any suicide is a tragedy, especially in the case of one so young and so deeply talented. Reasons can never be certain, but being hounded by the government can't help. And he was attempting to spread knowledge, certainly a better motive than that the banks exhibited. Very sad.

Swartz was ahead of his time
A victim cut-down in his prime
His criminal deed
To help those in need?
I no longer understand "crime"

The Limerick King

http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/8378525559/

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 14, 2013 9:53:01 PM | 97

FOR AARON


bastard suckers of soul—
Carmen Ortiz, Stephen Heymann
close your dead-heart fingers
on one more rung of ladder
close your eyes and know
bad magic has you caught
you pawns you yawns of fatigue
you decline of the human species
gutter-trumpeting for more
to be Governor, right Carmen?
to fill her hole, right Stephen?
and forget you played a role
in Aaron Swartz’s death
forget your fuck-wand of justice
pretzels itself beneath dollar men
stomping aggressively to cloud
to prevent these brilliant sparks
from catching, from spreading

---William Skink

Posted by: lizard | Jan 15, 2013 12:12:23 AM | 98

Check out this new angle on the Swartz story at emptywheel It seems that the Secret Service was brought into an investigation of this young man, for an offense that should have amounted to no more than misdemeanor trespassing.

The public story of Aaron Swartz’ now-tragic two year fight with the Federal government usually starts with his July 19, 2011 arrest.

But that’s not when he was first arrested for accessing a closet at MIT in which he had a netbook downloading huge quantities of scholarly journals. He was first arrested on January 6, 2011 by MIT and Cambrige, MA cops.

According to a suppression motion in his case, however two days before Aaron was arrested, the Secret Service took over the investigation.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 15, 2013 1:03:01 AM | 99

bottak 96
i had seen this coming,
the *asian nato* , aka naato, was orchestrated by fukusi[ndia] almost a decade ago.

professor nalapat
*This alliance would actually be beneficial to the PRC, Nalapat said,
as it would enable the moderates to keep hotheads at bay,
once it became clear that an attack on Taiwan would result
in a war not just with Taipei but with Washington, New Delhi and Tokyo as well. *
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FC09Df02.html
beneficial to prc, hehehe
the good professor is a cheeky one, he must be chuckling to himself

Posted by: denk | Jan 15, 2013 2:21:47 AM | 100

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