December 01, 2012
AP's George Jahn Doubles Down On Fake "Iran" Graph
The Associated Press reporter in Vienna, George Jahn, wrote a rather stupid story about a Graph suggests Iran working on bomb
The graph in that story suggest nothing like what Jahn's (Israeli) sources suggest.
It is a showing two plots. A bell-curve shaped energy release and the integral of the release that sums up the total. During my university studies I once plotted a similar looking graph for the theoretical energy release in a small laser pulse. When someone tweeted the story my response was therefore "1st semester physics". But the case is even worse. It is "failed 1st semester physics".
As real nuclear scientists pointed out:
The image released to the Associated Press shows two curves: one that plots the energy versus time, and another that plots the power output versus time, presumably from a fission device. But these two curves do not correspond: If the energy curve is correct, then the peak power should be much lower -- around 300 million ( 3x108) kt per second, instead of the currently stated 17 trillion (1.7 x1013) kt per second. As is, the diagram features a nearly million-fold error.
This diagram does nothing more than indicate either slipshod analysis or an amateurish hoax.
Gareth Porter provides a good write up
of the above and other debunking of the graph.
Caught spreading obvious propaganda with fake documents George Jahn today doubled down:
A senior diplomat familiar with the probe of Iran by the IAEA told the AP on Friday that the agency suspects that Iranian scientists calculating a nuclear yield intentionally simplified the diagram to make it comprehensible to Iranian government officials to whom they were presenting it. He said that when the right data are plugged in, the yield is indeed 50 kilotons.
So if one corrects the errors in the graph than the graph has no errors. That's obvious. But how would have miscalculating the graph "simplified" it? Simply changing the dimensions does not simplify or complicate anything in it.
Jahn's sources are just spouting stupid nonsense and that Jahn is eating it up is just showing that he is in no way a serious reporter. AP should fire him immediately.
Aside from that, people looking at the graph often miss the bigger picture. A few points on that.
Even if the charts and alleged other simulations were correct, which they are not,
even if they were from Iran, which is in serious doubt,
even if they were at a more sophisticated level than 1st semester physics, which they again are not,
even if they showed high level bomb research, which they do not,
they would be perfectly legal and sensible to make if one wants to learn about proliferation issues and the effects of nuclear weapons.
There is nothing, like zero, in Iran's or any other country's obligation towards the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, that forbids theoretical research into nuclear physics or nuclear weapons.
It makes perfect sense for any state to do such nuclear weapon research. If there is even the smallest chance that you might get hit with some weapon you will want to know how it works and what it does. Besides that, anyone studying general nuclear physics will at some point learn enough about how nuclear weapons work and will be able to create a numerical and graphical simulation of their functioning. There is nothing nefarious in doing that.
The AP's Jahn will, of course, not tell you such. His mission is to transport Israeli anti-Iran propaganda into the international media. As his second piece on this hoax graph proves, defying logic and common sense is no hindrance to him doing that. But that probably was the really important requirement when he was chosen for his job.
Posted by b on December 1, 2012 at 12:14 PM | Permalink
LOL @ Forbidding research into theoretical physics. I bet Obama would love the power to control thoughts like that.
Posted by: revenire | Dec 1, 2012 1:10:19 PM | 1
I suspect this idiot and his editor at AP are already getting the call and heat from upstairs at AP, that’s why they came up with the ridicules idea of worsening it with an explanation, he reminds me of the other idiot at W Post Joby Warrick. They all are the same cheap scum bags.
Posted by: kooshy | Dec 1, 2012 1:24:53 PM | 2
I doubt he's taking any heat from upstairs. His job is to lie.
Posted by: Amar | Dec 1, 2012 1:33:21 PM | 3
It's truly infuriating. They lie and are proven to be liars but the damage in the public mind is done.
You yourself, b, have busted them on the nanodiamonds hoax, the "stockpiling 20% uranium" hoax and now the "somebody drew lines on a paper therefore Iran must be building nukes" hoax.
But all they do is keep lying as if they couldn't care less how obvious it is. Because, sadly, to the general public it is not obvious.
Thanks to bloggers such our host here, the truth trickles out. That's way better than 15 years ago, but still a long way to go.
Posted by: Lysander | Dec 1, 2012 2:04:01 PM | 4
"Because, sadly, to the general public it is not obvious."
Send a Kardashian.
Posted by: dh | Dec 1, 2012 3:38:52 PM | 5
If it looks as if it was drawn by a not overly bright 1st year physics student, than it probably was - although not necessarily by an Iranian.
This is part of a wider problem: that the public is absurdly impressed by what it calls "scientific" explanations. By which it means,employing pseudo-scientific jargon; vague, unintelligible and/or inconsistent arguments; and so forth. Real science is not done in the newspapers.
And this in turn is part of an even wider problem, the cringing attitude of the public toward the opinions of "experts": which as we know from our own lives, as well as from current events, must be carefully weighed and tested to separate the wheat from the chaff.
BTW: Anyone know what the handwritten script written under the graph says? More proof of Iranian perfidy?
Posted by: pontefract | Dec 1, 2012 5:09:09 PM | 6
I watched few nights ago Leading To War, http://www.leadingtowar.com/watch_online.php. Despite time's distance and accumulated knowledge, in terms what those creatures are capable of, it was hard to stomach that movie.
There is no surprise by this "news", I read it few days ago, Green Greenwald wrote about it. Just as Hannah Arendt warned "The problem of evil will be the fundamental question of postwar intellectual life in Europe". Yes, totalitarianism has gotten new forms, just as a slavery has, as well as colonialism. The evil that emanates from a liberal-capitalism is monstrous and endless.
AP is part of government just as is BBC, Guardian, DPA, AFP, Voice of this and that etc. Große Lüge is favorite tool, and "the general public" prefer it. Actually, in liberal-capitalism (or Bio-politics) it is possible only with "Consent of the Governed". While I appreciate the truth report since the truth doesn't matter, I for one, wonder who is targeted audience? What is ethics and moral of "Governed" and those who are "Governing"? There is none, that's for sure, it can't be in One-dimensional societies.
One thing is for sure. As long as the current Gov. of Iran is there, it will be target of psyops operation (or rather covert war) of various intensity and nature like this one, along with coordinated incident at Iran's embassy in Germany made by Kanzleramt/BND. The only positive thing is, Iran isn't Guatemala, Iraq, Libya or Syria - they will retaliate and the White Man knows it...and he is nervous.
At least they didn't find "lost laptop at the airport" with nuclear secrets!?
Posted by: neretva'43 | Dec 1, 2012 5:15:57 PM | 7
Too bad the western corporate media isn't something solid one could use to fertilize their garden with. It could be put to some constructive use then.
Posted by: вот так | Dec 1, 2012 5:25:41 PM | 8
Who owns NYT, WaPo & LAT? It's that simple.
Posted by: Daniel Rich | Dec 1, 2012 6:06:52 PM | 9
@ BOT TAK #8,
Would you really want your veggie/fruit garden to give such a piss-poor performance? Bananas promising to be straight, apples to taste like pears and cucumbers to provide green tea, once elected? 'Fruitfarm' - G Llewro, 4891.
Posted by: Daniel Rich | Dec 1, 2012 6:13:40 PM | 10
VIENNA -- A leaked diagram suggesting that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon is scientifically flawed, diplomats working with the U.N. nuclear agency conceded Friday. However, they insisted that it still supports suspicions that Tehran is trying to build a bomb, especially when combined with other documents that remain secret.
Posted by: somebody | Dec 1, 2012 6:38:22 PM | 11
sorry, forget above post - quote and link is same as b.'s link on Jahn doubling down.
this is Glenn Greenwald in the Guardian
As both Shirazi and John Glaser document, the AP writer responsible for this absurdity, George Jahn, has a history of similar behavior. That includes producing an equally hyped and equally absurd report back in May featuring a cartoon-like drawing that, as Jahn put it, "was provided to The Associated Press by an official of a country tracking Iran's nuclear program who said it proves the structure exists, despite Tehran's refusal to acknowledge it."
Posted by: somebody | Dec 1, 2012 7:23:34 PM | 12
"Who owns NYT, WaPo & LAT? It's that simple."
Parasites protecting fellow parasites and helping them get rich and maintain control. The problem is, it's nothing new with the media. It's not even more blatant than before, in fact it's less blatant and much more subtle how they work to manipulate the public with their BS. The "free press" are a lot more centrally organised now, and much more sophisticated at their propaganda, but the mindset of these people hasn't changed. They see their job as public opinion shapers, not a source of factual material.
"Would you really want your veggie/fruit garden to give such a piss-poor performance? Bananas promising to be straight, apples to taste like pears and cucumbers to provide green tea, once elected? 'Fruitfarm' - G Llewro, 4891."
Good point. I was worried the smell might be unbearable, figuring the "quality" would be extremely potent. But I forgot the "superfund" level of toxicity it would be bound to contain and the mischief that could do.
From the G.G. story in the G.:
"However, they insisted that it still supports suspicions that Tehran is trying to build a bomb, especially when combined with other documents that remain secret."
That, no doubt, would be Netanyahu's famous bomb drawing. BTW, I hear Israeli artists are the best stick figure sketchers around.
Posted by: вот так | Dec 1, 2012 8:47:44 PM | 13
AP, George Jahn
The International Atomic Energy Agency — the Vienna-based U.N. nuclear watchdog — reported last year that it had obtained diagrams indicating that Iran was calculating the "nuclear explosive yield" of potential weapons. . .[Iran] has refused for years to cooperate with the U.N. nuclear agency's efforts to investigate its program.
b: "There is nothing, like zero, in Iran's or any other country's obligation towards the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, that forbids theoretical research into nuclear physics or nuclear weapons."
Exactly, and so the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has no authority in this area. In fact, the IAEA, according to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) that Iran voluntarily entered into DOES NOT recognize any limitless "nuclear watchdog" nor does it include any requirement for Iran (or any such signatory) to cooperate with any UN agency on "its program."
The IAEA has ONLY ONE treaty purpose -- to prevent diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons.
NPT, Article III, para 1
"Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Agencys safeguards system, for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfillment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices."
Under its Safeguards Agreement, Iran has declared to the Agency 16 nuclear facilities and nine
locations outside facilities where nuclear material is customarily used (LOFs). The IAEA in all of its quarterly reports has consistently reported that "The Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the nuclear facilities and LOFs declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement,"
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 1, 2012 8:52:23 PM | 14
Jahn: "David Albright, whose Institute for Science and International Security is used by the U.S. government as a go-to source on Iran's nuclear program, said the diagram looks genuine but seems to be designed more "to understand the process" than as part of a blueprint for an actual weapon in the making."
David Albright has no education nor background in nuclear weapons nor in nuclear physics. Albright holds a Master of Science in physics from Indiana University and a M.Sc. in mathematics from Wright State University. He has no credibility in the nuclear field.
Albright's ISIS is a go-to source by the US government only as a propaganda agent for bogus charges involving smoking laptops, pink tarpaulins, explosion chambers and (recently) piles of dirt.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 1, 2012 9:04:50 PM | 15
RE: the misnamed Albright.
The process of replacing science with fascist mumbo-jumbo is a huge problem in the USA. This is making American "science" much like that of Medieval times where "the Church" determined what was what, and the only allowed science was in presenting those views. Whether the "science" so derived made any real sense or not. In the USA in the last 40 years, such a Medieval view of science now predominates, and those who postulate such rubbish are now the "favoured" professors and intellectual "experts". It's not "the Church" who determines the correct scientific "laws" in the USA, now, it's what the NWOs want science to justify of their "religion" of dominance and grotesque exploitation. Neo-lib/neo-con BS dominates economics, social Darwinism (not even remotely related to Darwin's work) dominates study of social interactions, including historical study (where propaganda is peddled as fact), and even things like archeology and anthropology. Higher education all in the service of the power brokers - 1984 in reality instead of fiction. Need a study saying poison is nutritious, they'll do it. Need justification for mass murder, just ask.
Posted by: вот так | Dec 1, 2012 9:38:46 PM | 17
According to Jahn's AP story, this diagram was leaked by officials from a country critical of Iran's atomic program. The oficials who leaked it demanded anonymity.
A diagram leaked by an Iran enemy by someone demanding not to be named has -- how much credibility?
Oh, wait. According to Jahn, the diagram was confirmed by a senior diplomat to be the same one obtained by the IAEA last year and cited in an IAEA report.
The IAEA cited a diagram in a report last year, but the IAEA din't publish the diagram? It only "cited" a diagram it obtained from -- whom?
Perhaps it was here. In its November 2011 Iran report, the IAEA included a section: "G. Possible Military Dimensions" In this section, the IAEA cited "Information provided to the Agency by Member States." Anonymous, of course.
It includes this:
Information provided to the Agency by two Member States relating to modelling studies alleged to have been conducted in 2008 and 2009 by Iran is of particular concern to the Agency. According to that information, the studies involved the modelling of spherical geometries, consisting of components of the core of an HEU nuclear device subjected to shock compression, for their neutronic behaviour at high density, and a determination of the subsequent nuclear explosive yield. The information also identifies models said to have been used in those studies and the results of these calculations, which the Agency has seen. The application of such studies to anything other than a nuclear explosive is unclear to the Agency. It is therefore essential that Iran engage with the Agency and provide an explanation.
My take: A diagram was provided to IAEA by US/Israel last year to the IAEA, cited in a November 2011 report, and is now used by US propaganda donkeys because the US/Israel has given an ultimatum to Iran to prove that it isn't doing anything by March, or else.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 1, 2012 9:43:58 PM | 18
"Stevie Wonder, who once penned a song against apartheid in South Africa, will star at a fundraiser for the Israeli military, early next month..."
I think that you will find that he has cancelled the concert. The excellent Black Agenda Report's pressure seems to have worked.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 1, 2012 10:58:37 PM | 20
The problem is that he would even had considered it in the first place and that it took public pressure to get him to "see the light".
It's a serious problem with the western "entertainment" business and the sort who are allowed to become famous through them. Very much a zio-fascist closed shop, with all the "goodies" that entaails.
Posted by: вот так | Dec 1, 2012 11:17:16 PM | 21
Thanks b, more great insight into the disinformation blitz with regards to Iran. MOA and many of it's contributors are second to none.
Posted by: ben | Dec 2, 2012 1:57:38 AM | 22
Lots of BS is more believable than a little BS, according to "the first diplomat."
The first diplomat agreed with critics who said similar graphs can be found in textbooks, the internet and other public sources. But he said the agency found that irrelevant because of the totality of its information about Iran’s alleged interest in plotting the force of a nuclear explosion, which included the drawing seen by the AP. In that context, the drawing and other similar to it heightened agency concerns, he said.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 2, 2012 4:23:11 PM | 23
Am I right in thinking that this preposterous diagram was one of the bits o' evidence that the IAEA cited as "overall, credible" in its last report on Iran?
That, indeed, the IAEA took possession of this diagram from (shhhh! Don't mention Mossad by name!) and thought "Gosh, that looks credible!".
If so, then what does that tell us about the credibility of the IAEA pen-pushers who penned that report?
Because here's a shocking thought: what if *this* diagram was leaked to the press because *this* was actaully the *most* credible out of all the preposterous evidence that is in the IAEA's possession?
Posted by: Johnboy | Dec 2, 2012 4:56:47 PM | 24
ElBaradei, in his memoires entitled "Age of Deception" describes a similar Israeli ploy where they tried to pass off some documents alleging that Iran had experimented with nuclear triggers. The IAEA doubted the veracity of the documents. So, the Israelis turned around and fed it to Oliver Kamm of the Times of London, who published the document. When readers pointed out that the document had no security markings of any kind, and was typed using Arabic rather than Farsi fonts, Kamm confessed that it was not the actual document itself, but an edited and retyped version.
Posted by: Cyrus | Dec 4, 2012 3:31:13 PM | 25
"Neo-lib/neo-con BS dominates economics, social Darwinism (not even remotely related to Darwin's work) dominates study of social interactions, including historical study (where propaganda is peddled as fact), and even things like archeology and anthropology. Higher education all in the service of the power brokers - 1984 in reality instead of fiction. Need a study saying poison is nutritious, they'll do it. Need justification for mass murder, just ask." Posted by: вот так
Insightful contribution, BOT TAK, but hasn't it always been so?
How can we stop this crap from happening is the question I need answered now.
Posted by: arthurdecco | Dec 4, 2012 7:43:31 PM | 26