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September 26, 2012

War Scenes - R.I.P. Maya Nasser

Two screenshot from the Russian documentation Battle for Syria (with English subtitles) on the war on Syria that I linked yesterday.The appear at 0:45 and 0:46 into the film.

It shows the back of a journalist reporting from the government side. He had been lucky. A shot had hit the center of the backside of his body armor but did not penetrate it. It seems pretty obvious that this had been a targeted shot, likely by a sniper.

Today more journalists were shot in Syria:

A corespondent for Iran's Press TV was shot dead on Wednesday while reporting from the scene of devastating twin explosions in the Syrian capital, Damascus.

Maya Nasser, a 33-year-old Syrian national, was killed after being hit by "insurgent" sniper fire, Press TV said.

The channel's Damascus bureau chief, Hussein Murtada, who also worked for the Arabic-language Al-Alam TV network, was injured after coming under attack, the channel said. [...] Murtada was reportedly shot in the back.

Shooting journalist in the back seems to be a modus operandi of these insurgents.

This video shows Maya Nasser this morning at the 0:19 time mark. He and other colleagues had rushed to the scene of the bombing. Maya Nasser went without body armor.

A while ago I had a few exchanges with him on Twitter. On his twitter page he has this motto:

its not our job to protect the religion from the grip of the state, its our job to protect the state from the grips of the religious radicalism
Back in July Maya Nasser wrote a Night in Damascus which ended with this:
Bottom line is; my people are dying and I am still in the line waiting my turn.
Your wait is over Maya.  Rest in peace.

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from the insurgent side. Yesterday a piece by him described how the insurgents torture people, with the obvious result:

Three days later, I met one of the men who had been torturing the young man. He had a sorry look on his face.

"All the names he gave us were fake. Those people don't exist. Now the Islamists have taken him. They are interrogating him and they are not letting anyone else see him."

It is unlikely that the boy will survive that ordeal.

Another piece by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad follows the way the insurgents get their ammunition. The CIA is supervising, the Turks are organizing and the Qataris are paying for it. He then reports from the fighting in Aleppo and includes a vignette of an allegedly defected major:

He turned to Abu Mohamed. "You know when you are in the middle of battle and mortars start slamming the earth around you, you forget all your fears and there is a strange joy and happiness. I am so happy when I am fighting," he said, his eyes sparkling.

The next day found Abu Hussein and Abu Mohamed hugging and weeping like children in the shadow of Aleppo's castle. The quirky and affectionate major lay dead next to them. A single sniper bullet had entered his neck. There was a splash of blood on his right cheek.

War kills people. If not physically then mentally, even generals:

Sorrow now takes centre stage in my mind. Irrational anger simmers, bursting out at the slightest provocation. I see the at the indifference of most Australians to the efforts of our troops overseas. Anxiety stalks me. At shopping centres, I feel threatened, surrounded by unseen dangers. I find myself moving towards the walls of crowded spaces to protect my back. I look for exits and places to take cover. The hyper-awareness that had me flinching at unexpected noises now becomes a disabling compulsion - I jump at any sudden noise. One day we are on a train to Melbourne and the conductor behind me calls out, "Tickets, please!" I jerk in terror, throwing up my arms defensively and emitting a cry of fear. Several people laugh. To my total humiliation, I start to weep.

Its the people who start wars that should be killed or at least should have to fight PTSD. How come they are the ones that most likely survive the wars they start without any damage?

Posted by b on September 26, 2012 at 01:14 PM | Permalink

Comments

RIP Maya Naser


Posted by: revenire | Sep 26, 2012 2:54:43 PM | 1

Great piece B.

It is a huge loss of an important voice. A Syrian who loved his country and hated the religious extremism that was infecting it. Who risked his life daily to report from Aleppo and Damascus neighbourhoods, while all the rest of the "international media" reported from the safety of Beirut or Turkey with their propaganda. It's also a huge loss to his family. A 33 year old man starting a family in the midst of this chaos.

Certainly this man deserved better than to be killed on the streets by Obama's religious fanatics.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Sep 26, 2012 3:00:08 PM | 2

RIP Maya Naser and be remembered

Posted by: somebody | Sep 26, 2012 3:00:23 PM | 3

RIP

Posted by: L Bean | Sep 26, 2012 3:47:55 PM | 4

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/26/263608/press-tv-correspondent-killed-in-syria/

Press TV reporter was killed by sniper

Posted by: LOYAL | Sep 26, 2012 4:08:40 PM | 5

how horrid, what a terrible loss. rest in peace maya.

Posted by: annie | Sep 26, 2012 6:24:36 PM | 6

Obama's hypocrisy at the UN today, speaking of war crimes.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI27Ak02.html

"HDBB (Obama) said, "There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents ... There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There is no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan."

If HDBB (Obama)had read the just-published, devastating report by Stanford and New York University's law schools [2], based on extensive interviews with victims, witnesses and experts, about the shadow drone war in the Pakistani tribal areas, he would have seen the true effect of Obama-ordered "signature strikes", when targets are selected via a shady "pattern of life".

So if HDBB (Obama) asserts that "no video justifies an attack on an embassy", he would have to revert to cosmic silence to justify the killing of Pashtun women and children, in fact an indiscriminate US death from above operation terrorizing the 800,000 people living in the Waziristans, north and south.

No chance HDBB (Obama) would talk about this war of terror.

Posted by: amspirnational | Sep 26, 2012 6:37:48 PM | 7

'our religion tells us to do this'
'Mimi al-Laham:

It is difficult to write this as Maya's email is still 'online' right next to me on my gmail account, his status said 'live" and indeed it feels like he's still alive. Harder still to know that the answer to my chat question 'are you alive' will not be answered. Even though I know...

Even though I hadn't known Maya long, he was hard not to like. Maya had no hatred in his heart, even for his enemies. When I spoke to him about anger he urged me to be patient, kind and respectful to people who disagreed with me.

The last time he spoke, he told me a very powerful story that he asked me to keep off the record. But now I feel like he left it with me.

He had invited 3 heads of the FSA, salafists to Damascus at his expense assuring them on his word they will not be harmed. He hoped that seeing a different way of life would change their attitude. After they had been in Damascus for 3 days, he invited them to dinner in front of a restaurant which was in front of an old church and an old mosque that existed together peacefully for a long time.

He asked them how they felt about Damascus, they said it was nice. Then he asked them to be honest and again gave them his word that they would come to no harm. One replied 'frankly sir we respect you, but we are going to kill you and take the women of your family. And our religion tells us to do this'.

Maya then pointed to two girls who were sitting beside him, one with a head scarf and one without.

He said. You see those two girls? This is Syria. And I will die to keep it this way. After I die, then I don't care what you do.

Those were his last words to me. He was true to his word and the salafists left safely, that's just the kind of person he was.

I think he knew he was going to die because there had been many attempts on his life in previous months. But he kept going... he was committed to the truth and his country.

Syria lost a hero today, But Martyrs don't die, they live forever.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/27-09-2012/122277-maya_naser-0/

Posted by: brian | Sep 26, 2012 6:44:42 PM | 8

The Times report describes the mission of the CIA station in Benghazi as one of “conducting surveillance and collecting information on an array of armed militant groups in and around the city,” including Ansar al-Sharia, an Islamist militia that has been linked by some to the September 11 attack, and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, or AQIM.

It further states that the CIA “began building a meaningful but covert presence in Benghazi” within months of the February 2011 revolt in Benghazi that seized the city from forces loyal to the government of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Stevens himself was sent into the city in April of that year as the American envoy to the so-called “rebels” organized in the Benghazi-based National Transitional Council (NTC).

What the Times omits from its account of CIA activities in Benghazi, however, is that the agency was not merely conducting covert surveillance on the Islamists based in eastern Libya, but providing them with direct aid and coordinating their operations with those of the NATO air war launched to bring down the Gaddafi regime. In this sense, the September 11 attack that killed Stevens and the three other Americans was very much a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

There is every reason to believe that the robust CIA presence in Benghazi after Gaddafi’s fall also involved more than just surveillance. Libyan Islamists make up the largest single component of the “foreign fighters” who are playing an ever more dominant role in the US-backed sectarian civil war being waged in Syria with the aim of toppling the government of President Bashar al-Assad. According to some estimates, they comprise anywhere from 1,200 to 1,500 of approximately 3,500 fighters who have been infiltrated into Syria from as far away as Chechnya and Pakistan.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/benghazi-attack-disrupted-major-cia-operation-attack-allegedly-directed-against-cia-operatives-and-contractors/

Posted by: brian | Sep 26, 2012 8:41:35 PM | 9

@brian -- "According to some estimates, [Libyan Islamists] comprise anywhere from 1,200 to 1,500"
--Origin of estimates? In what fighting groups?
My info is that in Liwaa Al-Umma -"Community brigade" - from Libya, Commanded by Mahdi al-Harati in Syria, an Irish-Libyan member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group -- "The group does not actively try to recruit Libyans and according to Harati about 90% of its 6,000+ members are Syrians, with the remaining 10% a mixture of Libyans, Egyptians, Palestinians, Sudanese and other Arabs." (The 6,000+ may be an exaggeration.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 9:31:07 PM | 10

R.I.P. Maya Nasser...! 8-(

Look, the Emperor has no clothes...

…Assange was highly critical of US involvement in the Arab Spring, denouncing Obama as audacious for exploiting it. He added that it is “disrespectful of the dead” to claim that the US has supported forces of change.

“Was it not audacious for the US President to say that his country supported the forces of change in the Arab Spring? Tunisian history did not begin in December 2010, and Mohamed Bouazizi did not set himself on fire so that Barack Obama could be re-elected,” Assange told the panel.

“The world knew after reading WikiLeaks that Ben Ali and his government had for long years enjoyed the indifference, if not the support, of the US, in full knowledge of its excesses and its crimes. So it must come as a surprise to the Tunisians that the US supported the forces of change in their country, and it must come as a surprise to the Egyptian teenagers who washed American tear gas out of their eyes, that the US administration supported change in Egypt”

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 26, 2012 9:37:05 PM | 11

Obama, UNGA, Sep 25, 2012:

"It's been less than two years since a vendor in Tunisia set himself on fire to protest the oppressive corruption in his country and sparked what became known as the Arab Spring. And since then, the world has been captivated by the transformation that's taken place, and the United -- the United States has supported the forces of change.

"We were inspired by the Tunisian protests that toppled a dictator because we recognized our own beliefs in the aspiration of men and women who took to the streets. We insisted on change in Egypt because our support for democracy ultimately put us on the side of the people. We supported a transition of leadership in Yemen because the interests of the people were no longer being served by a corrupt status quo."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/25/transcript-obama-address-to-un-general-assembly/

p-h-o-n-e-y

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 9:49:31 PM | 12

Senators Corker and Isaakson aren't happy with Clinton's foot-dragging Benghazi coverup.

"While we appreciate the sensitivities associated with this ongoing investigation, we must insist on more timely information regarding the attacks and the events leading up to the attacks," wrote Sens. Bob Corker (R-TN) and Johnny Isaakson (R-GA) in a letter to Clinton Tuesday.

They acknowledged that Clinton is in the process of setting up an Accountability Review Board, although its chairman former Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Pickering said Monday that the panel hasn't started it work yet. But the senators don't want to wait for the board to finish its report, which might not be transmitted to Congress until next spring.

"To that end, we request that you transmit to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee all communications between the U.S. Mission to Libya and the State Department relevant to the security situation in Benghazi in the period leading up to the attacks, including, but not limited to, cables sent from Ambassador Stevens," they wrote.


http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/25/senators_to_clinton_show_us_the_aambassador_s_cables
h/t Josh Rogin, the Cable guy

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 9:56:17 PM | 13

The existence of the Accountability Review Board was announced on Friday.

MS. NULAND: We now have an Accountability Review Board established by the Secretary, as she’s required to do by law, which will also do a full investigation, including of all of the questions that you are asking as to how we were postured ahead of time, how the reaction went after, and whether we are in the right place now. -- Sep 21
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/09/198026.htm

Today, Tuesday: ". . .its chairman former Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Pickering said Monday that the panel hasn't started its work yet."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 10:06:44 PM | 14

This is the third day this week without a "Daily Press Briefing" at the U.S. State Department. Quite unusual. Normally they have four or five a week.

What are the Clintons up to? She was far away at the Dem convention. Now this.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 10:21:33 PM | 15

Don @15 It's a skeleton crew at Foggy Bottom, they're all busy wining and dining in the Big Apple...!

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 26, 2012 11:00:15 PM | 16

More than two weeks after four Americans - including the U.S. ambassador to Libya - were killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, FBI agents have not yet been granted access to investigate in the eastern Libyan city, and the crime scene has not been secured, sources said.

"They've gotten as far as Tripoli now, but they've never gotten to Benghazi," CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend said Wednesday, citing senior law enforcement officials.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26, 2012 11:04:18 PM | 17

brian@8, thank you for the link. the other letter is very moving also.

i recommend this link:

http://karlremarks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/cias-favorite-saudi-prince-is-laying.html

Haaretz published this article, then took it off the site. Here's the cached version: "CIA's favorite Saudi prince begins laying groundwork for a post-Assad Syria"

Posted by: annie | Sep 27, 2012 12:04:17 AM | 18

Libya & Syria = Afghanistan redux.
CIA, Saudi Arabia, jihadists.
So different from the official version.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 27, 2012 12:20:48 AM | 19

annie @18 is there any chance you can send me a new password for Mondoweiss...? I've lost my old one...! 8-(

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 27, 2012 12:43:26 AM | 20

Latest video from penny, on Syria. Russian made.

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/

Posted by: ben | Sep 27, 2012 1:03:42 AM | 21

Brian, no8, you do not quote people when people are no longer alive to correct these quotes. It is a matter of respect.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 27, 2012 3:58:45 AM | 22

David Cameron speech at the UN and some comments about that speech

Is it any wonder that people feel such contempt for Cameron.

He seldom misses an opportunity to say something untrue, unwise, tactless and undiplomatic, or quite stupid - and sometimes all of those together.

- Herbert Thornton , Victoria Canada, Canada, 27/9/2012 02:06


Cameron is so worrird about Syria that kids have been killed. What about Iraq and Afghanstan? You and your so called friends in the USA - liars.

Bring back our troops...

- gulraiz malik , smethwick, 27/9/2012 01:47

Posted by: hans | Sep 27, 2012 4:49:15 AM | 23

# 22 - "Brian, no8, you do not quote people when people are no longer alive to correct these quotes. It is a matter of respect."

wtf are you talkin about, you moron?

Are you trying to suggest that Brian is lying when he quotes the man? If not, than why would any of those quotes need correction.?

he can quote who he likes and certainly doesn't need permission from a lowlife liar like you.
What would you know about respect? How could someone that lies repeatedly and spreads disinfo think they have the right to lecture anyone else on the subject of respect.

Posted by: Hu Bris | Sep 27, 2012 5:24:02 AM | 24

Brian, no8, you do not quote people when people are no longer alive to correct these quotes. It is a matter of respect.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 27, 2012 3:58:45 AM | 22

what sort of a response is that?i quote whomever i like...its a tribute from syrian partisan girl,..and you can go to hell if you think you can tell me what to do

Posted by: brian | Sep 27, 2012 6:15:37 AM | 25

@ Don #10 - "@brian -- "According to some estimates, [Libyan Islamists] comprise anywhere from 1,200 to 1,500"
--Origin of estimates? In what fighting groups?
My info is that in Liwaa Al-Umma -"Community brigade" - from Libya, Commanded by Mahdi al-Harati in Syria, an Irish-Libyan member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group -- "The group does not actively try to recruit Libyans and according to Harati about 90% of its 6,000+ members are Syrians, with the remaining 10% a mixture of Libyans, Egyptians, Palestinians, Sudanese and other Arabs." (The 6,000+ may be an exaggeration.)

you actually believe that nonsense about the CIA/Zionist agent al Harati being in command of a group of which "90% of its 6,000+ members are Syrian"? (btw It ain't the "+6000" I'm questioning here)

Posted by: Hu Bris | Sep 27, 2012 8:51:47 AM | 26

Normally I'm not a reader of infowars but anyway

French Surgeon: Half of Rebels In Syria Are Al-Qaeda Terrorists

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
September 25, 2012

A French Surgeon who worked at a hospital in Aleppo admits that at least half of the militants he treated for injuries were Al-Qaeda terrorists whose goal is to impose sharia law across Syria and the whole region. These are the same rebels being funded to the tune of tens of million of dollars by the Obama administration.

Admittedly the headline is somewhat overstating the issue given what the Doctor actually said - he actually said half of those he treated (in Aleppo presumably) and NOT "Half of all terrorists throughout Syria" and admittedly he didn't even say "Half of them are foreigners" merely that "half of them a Jihadi Salafists"

But I personally gather from his statements that the percentage of Foreigners (Non-Syrians) amongst the CIA/Zionist Mercenaries is a damn sight higher than a mere 10%

here's the recording of his interview
http://www.youtube.com/v/OAn-VK6_XNo?version=3&hl=en_US

Posted by: Hu Bris | Sep 27, 2012 10:47:19 AM | 27

@HuBris #26 "you actually believe that nonsense . ."
You asked me what I believe about the command of a brigade in the anti-government forces in Syria.
Obviously this is a technical matter that I don't have enough evidence to have any belief about.
I doubt that you do either.
Therefore why the rhetoric about "nonsense?" It's nonsense.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 27, 2012 11:25:05 AM | 28

And whatever happened to the story about the stupid propaganda video and the fifty Jewish donor stuff?Sheesh.Ah,lost in translation again.What a charade.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 27, 2012 12:09:03 PM | 29

Hu Bris, somebody #22 at a minimum has a point, and you are a stalker (where stalking may merely be a technique of a troll)

btw, your writing always offensive of people who disagree with you is tiring and out of place, here (although common elsewhere; but MoA stands out also for this reason, with your permission)

and your posing as one who really knows what going on behind the scenes and can't be fooled like other lesser mortals is ridicolous, especially when you repeatedly confront different thesis with request for evidence, as if it were possible for anyone, including you, provide evidence for what's going on behind the scenes

one curiosity: do you think b is a Class-A liar or a moron? he seems to believe AQ is real, whereas You said that:

These Class-A liars/morons (delete as appropriate) invented a phrase to describe this ridiculous theory that they are propagating - they call it "BlowBack"

Others (myself fer instance) have put forward a far more reasonable and far less moronic theory that all the aforementioned groups actually work together. (And that there really is no such thing as "al Qeada" as described to us by the MSM and various Gov't liars.) People like me have repeatedly pointed out over the last 11 years that [etc etc]

wow! "people like me"! you are so generous to leak us such juicy insights directly here at MoA instead of writing your own blog; and how lucky for b to finally be able to understand what's really going on in the world

and so you are also a coward; you stalk "somebody" but are very careful in expressing dissent towards b; or, as I believe, you are a troll, and after your failed first attempt, you are now trying to infiltrate this blog limiting your shows of aggressiveness against a single poster who sometimes proposes non-mainstream views (however often worthy of consideration, and often along with interesting links) hoping this will provoke less reactions

... or else, you need help

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 12:10:30 PM | 30

Syrian army now regularly transfers weapons and ammunition determined to be of Turkish origin to the PKK, just to remind Erdoghan of the vapidity of his policies. SyrPer has learned from Wael that a cache of weapons seized yesterday in Hama was put on trucks and sent straight to Qamishli for distribution to our Kurdish allies.

Wow if true, rest of details at http://syrianperspective.blogspot.co.uk/

Posted by: hans | Sep 27, 2012 12:36:46 PM | 31

So in a civil war atrocities are committed by both sides.

The W press is filled with disgusting examples, carried out by the Syrian Gov forces. Typical examples:

Save the children report, pretense at non-partisanship. (awfully sad to read and see.)

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/untold_atrocities.pdf

... rape, and ‘rats in vagina’ reports, BBC, anti-Assad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19718075

How can all this be measured, one side against the other?

Impossible.

There is not an upright, staunch Gov. holding off against foreign insurgents, terrorists, islamists. Though that is part of the story...Nor are there glorious, selfless freedom fighters, sincere citizens, seeking to overthrow a murderous, repressive, ‘regime’...also a ‘true’ part of the script. And what news reports to believe?

Reasonable ppl seem, as usual, to be caught between the two and targets for one or another or even both parties.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 27, 2012 2:04:27 PM | 32

Hu Bris, you are a stalker and a coward and above all a troll

btw, you don't care for anyone's opinions here, you only listen to your own voice, and you raise it and start insulting everytime you think someone isn't listening, which in fact happens quite often

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 2:22:42 PM | 33

trolls bother me, you are right;

one of the many ways you can tell one is that they never answer when you ask them to clarify something they said

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 3:17:30 PM | 34

@ Noirette - I agree with most of your sentiment as expressed in your comment above, but with regard to Save The Children - http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/09/save-children-front-for-cia.html -

Many charities are fronts for the CIA and its friends.

1. In early September 2012, Pakistan ordered foreigners working for Save the Children to leave Pakistan.

Pakistan stated that Save the Children was being used by Western spies.

A doctor accused of assisting the CIA claimed that Save the Children had introduced him to US intelligence officers.

Pakistan orders Save the Children foreign workers to leave.

2. On 25 September 2012, Save the Children produced what appears to be a piece of propaganda for the CIA.

The charity has released Untold Atrocities, a collection of alleged 'first-hand accounts' from children and parents allegedly receiving help from Save the Children after fleeing Syria.

"The six-year-old son of an anti-government activist is abducted, then starved and beaten to death. The new report by the UK charity Save the Children documents these and other alleged atrocities."

Save the Children has been refused permission to enter Syria.

Save the Children is on the ground on Syria's borders.


Justin Forsyth became chief executive of Save the Children in July 2012.

Forsyth is a former adviser to Tony Blair.

He is also a former communications director to Gordon Brown.

more at the link above

I suspect that, as with all the supposed NGOs that it is becoming obvious are part of the West's "Soft Power projection" there are several well-known charities that from time to time double-up as Propaganda-front-groups for the Western Pirates.

Jean Bricmont once said something like

"I have no real problems with NGOs in principle - it's just the "N" I object to"

Posted by: Hu Bris | Sep 27, 2012 3:24:08 PM | 35

At Hubris, Oh Ya ... Save the Children. right...

I did say a typical ex. of pretense of non-partisan ship.

Orgs. like that have an easy time of it as they supposedly defend a ‘universal’ class of ppl that are innocents - children - nobody can object to that. So it is all good sob stuff. Many NGOs are underground stooges for W propaganda, the spinning off and pretense of independence fools many, and the money that can be earned is so ...considerable...ppl go along.

I have known several ppl who worked for similar, one’s eyes go wide in despair, but there they are, dressed in noble sentiments and outrage, showing off their ragged clothes, adventurous spirit, and plush villas...sometimes even illegal maids..at home..takes care of the kiddies and sleeps in the attic..

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 27, 2012 4:40:35 PM | 36

Hu Bris, you are trying to chicken out

what you actually said is:
1) AQ is a US asset or ally, and would never of its own will attack the Us (respectable thesis)
2) who doesn't agree with point #1 is a "Class-A liar or a moron" (trollish, or thuggish, or both)

and when I remarked that b seemed to disagree with point #1, instead of holding your ground or excusing yourself for your blunder, you chickened out

here are other excerpts of your post I hadn't cited:

Some people would have us believe that between steps 1 and 2 there was an intermediate step where the group(s) referred to as "Al Qeada" supposedly turned their backs on the people that originally helped create them (The US) and started to attack them and their facilities, both civilian and Military.
...
No evidence has ever been put forward that would provide some sort of reliable proof that all these groups are NOT all working together.

In fact point #2 above would indicate that, despite an 11-year gap in which they were supposedly "deadly Enemies", their recent activities in Libya/Syria etc would strongly indicate that ALL of these afore-mentioned Govts&"Jihadi"groups have ALWAYS been working together hand-in-hand, towards the same end-goal.

Yet for some reason, despite the absolute stupidity of such a notion, and the fact that it flies in the face of from recent evidence, (the NATO-Qeada attacks on Libya&Syria) some (truly-dishonest/totally-fuckin-retarded (delete as appropriate)) individuals here here still insist on propagating the idea that the lesser members of this conspiracy, the "Puppet"-Rulers of various Arab/Gulf/Muslim nations are in fact really Major Autonomous Actors in their own right, in this charade - and that their actions CAN be divorced from the larger reality.

so maybe you think b isn't a "Class-A liar or a moron", rather a "truly-dishonest/totally-fuckin-retarded (delete as appropriate) individual"?

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 4:44:29 PM | 37

trolls never, ever answer

they aren't here for engaging in dialogue, they only make arrogant assertions that they think give them an air of superiority, at the expense of someone else, it's a power play

do you think or not that only "Class-A liars, etc etc" can believe AQ exists and might act on its own even against Us interests?

yes or no?

chicken out?

yes, I'm stalking you

no, I'm not trolling, I keep asking questions relevant to the topic;

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 6:08:51 PM | 38

If ya can't stand the truth, silence it..

This is standard NATO practice..They bombed journalists during the Iraq war for for singing different tune from Bush/Chenny's script..They did the same in Libya when a TV station was broadcasting LIVE on-air. And now Syria, where several journalists both pro/anti government ones are being killed.

The success of war is based on the success of perception management of the masses..Obviously, Maya was doing something that put a big wrench in the works of the NATO rebels so he had to be eliminated. Iran's already blamed Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE for this. It ain't gonna be pretty.

Stay tuned ;)

ps: And Obama had the nerve to stand in front of the UN and talk about speech on freedom of speech?

Posted by: Zico | Sep 27, 2012 6:10:59 PM | 39

trolls never, ever answer

I thought the question was simple enough, if you know what you think, even if you don't think when you write

do you think or not that only "Class-A liars, etc etc" can believe AQ exists and might act on its own even against Us interests?

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 7:38:41 PM | 40

This transparently-faux outrage of yours, supposedly on behalf of the blog owner, is risible.
be careful, you are betraying your real analytical skills

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 7:40:10 PM | 41

This transparently-faux outrage of yours, supposedly on behalf of the blog owner, is risible.
so you are a troll, it's official now

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 7:45:10 PM | 42

trolls never, ever answer

except with insults

you made more insulting remarks in a few months here at MoA than everybody else added up together

I'll try again; after all, it belongs to the domain of your expertise, doesn't it?

do you think or not that only "Class-A liars, etc etc" can believe AQ exists and might act on its own even against Us interests?

a simple yes or no will suffice, but you can make it more elaborate, for example: "can't remember", "I never knew, I was just guessing", "what's AQ?" "yes if I'm talking to "somebody", no if I'm talking to b", etc)

I could understand if you simply refused to answer for any reason, but the fact is you do keep answering my posts, but without answering this very simple question

look, I can suggest you a way out: you could answer, if you weren't a troll, something like: "no, I'm convinced of my thesis but I admit another rational and informed person might legitimately hold a different view and come to different conclusions, sorry for my gratuitous insults, both to "somebody" and to b"

Posted by: claudio | Sep 27, 2012 8:21:50 PM | 43

Man who killed Gaddafi has been killed by Gaddafi supporters.

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/africa/man-behind-gaddafis-capture-dies

Posted by: nikon | Sep 27, 2012 9:00:20 PM | 44

I'm gunna kick in my 2 cents worth here (not inflation adjusted btw) . . Just spent the past few minutes reading the "toing-and-froing"(?) between hubris and claudio. Over the years, and over all the different web sites and blogs I've frequented trolls/diverters seem to exhibit one main trait. They twist the main topic of conversation into a slinging match so that the topic at hand is forgotten/sidetracked/moved off topic. They accomplish this mainly by sinking to personal attacks and abuse against intelligent discourse. One of the things I value on this site, apart from b's excellent articles and critiques, is that amongst the commentors, there is a high level of courtesy, something sadly lacking in other blogs and in life in general.

In my view hubris, you are displaying the classic traits of a "troll" - on being called out as being a troll you continue with the abuse and put downs just re-enforcing the perception you've created. I'm sure someone else will be able to put this more intelligently than me - that said if you wish to "prove" yourself you'll wind it back a tad.

Posted by: DontNnSUName | Sep 27, 2012 10:22:46 PM | 45

claudio, thank you, it had to be said at some point.

Posted by: lizard | Sep 27, 2012 10:51:33 PM | 46

I deleted various troll comments by one Hu bris and banned his IP address.

Posted by: b | Sep 28, 2012 2:27:58 AM | 47

Seriously, Hu Bris, take a chill pill, or better yet, smoke a spliff...! 8-(

Dial it down...! You're certainly not winning over any friends here...!

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 28, 2012 2:29:52 AM | 48

of course you'd be happy to get me off your back :-)

all you have to do is answer my simple question; or else, if you think you have something to say, ignore me and post on the topic of the thread - this time put some effort in figuring out what you really think and what you are really saying, before writing;

if you keep answering my posts without answering my simple question, I'll keep reminding you that you are just escaping my simple question:

do you think or not that only "Class-A liars, etc etc" can believe AQ exists and might act on its own even against Us interests?

Posted by: claudio | Sep 28, 2012 2:35:29 AM | 49

ops ... I posted just as b was taking action

Posted by: claudio | Sep 28, 2012 3:00:19 AM | 50

During the last days, leading up to the assassination of Maya Naser and the wounding of the al-Alam and Press TV station chief in Damascus, Hussein Mortada, Maya was investigating a case which had the potential to lead to the impeachment of the Erdogan government of Turkey and indictments for serious war crimes and human rights violations. Earlier this month the Turkish Workers´ Party filed criminal charges for the Turkish government’s support of the Free Syrian Army and related terrorist groups.
Turkish Workers´ Party filed criminal charges (google shortner)

Posted by: hans | Sep 28, 2012 3:41:07 AM | 51

This seems to be a logical continuation of the US-originated policies of controlling the message...

In the now former Yugoslavia we saw the bombing of media outlets now presented as legitimate targets, & a quite remarkable ability of the Western MSM to stay on message once a suitable narrative was presented & amplify it, no matter how far from reality or common sense this message turned out to be. Fact-checking simply evaporated & historical amnesia became the standard.

In Iraq & Afghanistan we saw the birth of "embedded" reporting as a sophisticated, 'legitimate' mass-media enterprise, again the targeting of 'hostile' media outlets, but now carried onto the targeting of international reporters who were not embedded.

In Libya it moved onto sophisticated electronic attacks to paralyse the Libyan state media, with the 'war' opening with large-scale cruise-missile attacks on communications infrastructure, followed by the extensive bombing campaign where communications infrastructure was a priority target.
Large scale media infiltration on the ground was the first step, especially in the initial targeted area (Benghazi) by friendly media outlets (mostly Qatari & other Arab networks) to help prepare the ground, with a fully-formed narrative to the wider MSM coming almost instantly.
It also added large-scale embedding of 'reporters' this time with proxy forces, who demonstrated a seemless ability to transfer their skills in remaining on message from culturally similar Western forces to the designated proxy forces from widely different cultural backgrounds, competing in selling the most appropiate narrative for Western consumption.
For the first time, prominent examples were made of 'enemy' media reporters, with gang-rape, torture &/or murder of a number of prominent Libyan state reporters without a whiff of condemnation by their Western MSM 'colleagues' or Western 'NGO's' like Reporters Without Borders.

Now in Syria it has now moved onto to luring in & assassinating 'enemy' or 'non-embedded' reporters by planting snipers, then conducting terrorist bombings, & having the snipers primary targets as reporters who are not on message.
These snipers seem to obviously western trained, & their primary weapon is a scoped M-16, used by US forces as a designated marksman rifle.
Again, no condemnation by their Western MSM 'colleagues' or Western 'NGO's' like Reporters Without Borders, so this is now an accepted part of the mainstream stategy of 'controlling the narrative'.

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What is next?

Posted by: KenM | Sep 28, 2012 11:22:48 AM | 52

@52 Ken, i just thought "yes - havent heard anything on main stream news in NZ quoting RWB/RSF" . . there is a story on the website though about Maya Nasser death but the tone of the story is more pro "activist" than neutral

http://en.rsf.org/syria-press-tv-reporter-shot-dead-
in-27-09-2012,43451.html

Time to send them a wind up I guess and I'll direct them to MoA's article (ok b??) and to your comment Ken I'll await moderation /permission

Cheers

Posted by: DontNnSUName | Sep 28, 2012 11:16:42 PM | 53

Syriangirl Partisan shared a link.
9 minutes ago
My city a warzone, this is during the mosque bombing and Maya's death, you can see him running in at 2:01 . I lived around this area. I'm reposting the english version instead of the Russian version. The poster is a Syrian or russian decent Anhar who is also a political analyst. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAeFb1d2tT4&feature=plcp

Posted by: brian | Sep 30, 2012 5:14:45 AM | 54

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