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September 12, 2012

U.S. Ambo in Benghazi Killed In AQ Operation

This news is still developing but we can already say that it will have consequences for the further U.S. involvement in Syria and elsewhere:
The US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, has died from smoke inhalation in an attack on the US consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, security sources have said.

An armed mob attacked and set fire to the building in a protest against an amateur film deemed offensive to Islam's Prophet Muhammad, after similar protests in Egypt's capital.

Three other members of Stevens' staff were killed together with Chris Stevens and the circumstances of their death are still a bit murky. There are unconfirmed pictures floating around that could be consistent with a public lynching.

Last year Chris Stevens was very active in helping the Salafist rabble from Benghazi to overthrow the Libyan government:

Chris Stevens, a former U.S. Embassy official in Tripoli and the highest-ranking U.S. representative to travel to Libya since the uprising began, will explore ways to open the funding spigots for an opposition movement that is desperately short of cash and supplies, a State Department spokesman said Tuesday.

“We’re well aware that there’s an urgency,” spokesman Mark Toner told reporters. “The Transitional National Council does need funding if it’s to survive, and we’re looking for ways to assist them.”

When the job to overthrow and kill Gaddhafi was done Stevens was named U.S. ambassador to Libya.

Last night he was killed by exactly those lunatics, who are a disgrace to Islam, Gaddhafi had warned of and had kept under tight control.

Such riots do not come out of nowhere. Allegedly these people were incited by the deeds of some other murky lunatic, now in hiding, who is working to create a "clash of civilizations" in the hope that his tribe will benefit from it:

In Benghazi, Libya, several dozen gunmen from an Islamist group, Ansar al Sharia, attacked the consulate with rocket-propelled grenades to protest the film, a deputy interior minister for the Benghazi region told the Al-Jazeera network.
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The film's 52-year-old writer, director and producer, Sam Bacile, said that he wanted to showcase his view of Islam as a hateful religion. "Islam is a cancer," he said in a telephone interview from his home. "The movie is a political movie. It's not a religious movie."

Mr. Bacile said he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors, whom he declined to identify.

But that stupid hate-speech movie was likely only the pretext for yesterday's riots and the attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates.

The real reason, though unmentioned yet in the media, was likely this:

Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has released a video coinciding with the anniversary of the September 11 attacks, confirming for the first time the death of his deputy, US monitors said.

The 42-minute video is Zawahiri's first release in three months, and confirms that Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in a drone strike in Pakistan's Waziristan tribal area on June 4, according to SITE and IntelCenter.

Yesterday's confirmation of Abu Yahya al-Libi's death seems to be a much better explanation for yesterday's raising of al-Qaeda's flag in front of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the deadly attack on the consulate in Bengahzi. The AQ people in the area certainly had an urge and a plan to avenge al-Libi (the Libyan). That this happened on the anniversary of 9/11 is, as the Zahwahiri tape demonstrates, NOT a coincidence! These people used the movie story only to raise additional rabble to cover for them:

Al-Libi was a citizen of Libya, who was captured by ISAF forces in the Invasion of Afghanistan a year after 9/11 (Pakistani authorities and turned over to American authorities, who eventually put him in the Bagram prison.) and was held in extrajudicial detention in the Bagram interim detention facility. [...] Al-Libi was one of several high-profile Bagram captives who escaped on the night of July 10, 2005.
Al-Libi had one interest in common with Chris Stevens:
On March 12, 2011 al-Libi urged his countrymen to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi's regime and establish Islamic rule, expanding the terror network's attempts to capitalize on the wave of unrest sweeping the region.
The U.S. went to Afghanistan to fight Al-Qaeda. There it also captured and tortured one Abu Yahya al-Libi before he fled from Bagram. The U.S. was also working with Gaddhafi in Libya to keep Jihadis like al-Libi down. But in 2011 the U.S. suddenly changed course and Chris Stevens and others worked in lockstep with al-Libi and Salafi forces in Libya to overthrow Gaddhafi. Now, as these forces are out of control, the powers the U.S. unleashed in Libya are coming back to haunt it. Those lovable rebels that heroically dragged Gaddhafis body through the streets of Libya's are now "thugs" for doing the same to the U.S. ambassador. This is obviously a self inflicted wound.

As ambassador Chas W. Freeman explained in a speech last week:

The so-called “global war on terror” or “militant Islam,” as so many now openly describe it, has become an endless run in a military squirrel cage that is generating no light but a lot of future anti-American terrorism. It turns out that all that is required to be hated is to do hateful things. Ironically, as we “search abroad for monsters to destroy,” we are creating them – transforming our foreign detractors into terrorists, multiplying their numbers, intensifying their militancy, and fortifying their hatred of us. The sons and brothers of those we have slain know where we are. They do not forget. No quarter is given in wars of religion. We are generating the very menace that entered our imaginations on 9/11.
The killing of the U.S. ambassador in Libya will make further U.S. support for the insurgency in Syria, which is also supported by Al Qaeda and by Libyan Salafist fighters, more unlikely. One might even hope that this incident will lead to a complete turn around of current U.S. policies towards Syria. Hillary Clinton's and the other state department furies who had urged the U.S. to attack Libya and who are also behind the drive against Syria are now confronted with the ruins of their policies. They carry at least some blame for yesterday's deaths.

Posted by b on September 12, 2012 at 06:52 AM | Permalink

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Posted by: Zico | Sep 12, 2012 7:05:32 AM | 1

The revolution eats its children. Old story. Wouldn't be surprised if he found his end through US supplied weapons. The irony.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Sep 12, 2012 7:14:23 AM | 2

Yesterday's confirmation of Abu Yahya al-Libi's death seems to be a much better explanation for yesterday's raising of al-Qaeda's flag in front of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the deadly attack on the consulate in Bengahzi
you hit the nail on its head, b

it's far more worrying for the Us than emotional protests against a movie: al-Qaeda is displaying operational capabilities in the open, apparently doesn't have to hide in caves or operate in small clandestine groups any more

we once had a little debate here trying to answer the question: are the Us strategies, that so obviously generate terrorists, a mistake, or are they pursued because that's precisely the aim? I'm still convinced: they are a mistake (which doesn't mean there aren't groups within the administration that are happy these mistakes are committed)

Posted by: claudio | Sep 12, 2012 7:43:11 AM | 3

The chickens are coming home to roost. Although, i don't believe for a second the this will change anything the US is doing in Syria or elsewhere. US policies are not dictated by these events, there are drivers in the adminstration that will continue to push for stupidity no matter the cost.
9/11 is where the chickens came home to roost from Afghanistan, at least this is how we are programmed to believe, (i still dont believe b laden had anything to do with 9/11). Still it didnt change US policies or make a dent in neo conservative drive to dictate mid east policies.
The big thing now though is this public spat between Obama and Yahou, coupled with Yahou's demand for a red line or else, and just as important, Canada's withdrawl of diplomats from Iran. (Canada's queer FM Baird, doesn't have the intelligence of a bed bug to make a statement about Iran and my suspicion Israel gave him a heads up). All this is beginning to give me a sense we are counting down to an early October attack by Israel which will likely involve Hizballah and likely Syria.
The crazies are at it again.

Posted by: ana souri | Sep 12, 2012 7:44:22 AM | 4

When footage of Gaddaffi getting lynched was shown to Hillary Clinton she famously said "we came, we saw, he died". Doubt the State Deptartment is in such a smug mood today. Photo One and Photo Two.

Amb Christopher Stevens just learned the hard way what happens when you try and use Al Qaeda to further American imperial objectives.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Sep 12, 2012 8:15:32 AM | 5

The chickens are coming home to roost.

These are same bigots and Salafists Iran rushed to support. Islamic Awakening, oh yeah.

Posted by: hans | Sep 12, 2012 8:31:14 AM | 6

hans @ 6

In case you forgot, it wasn't Iran that was dropping the bombs on Libya..At least do your checks before you post..NATO was doing all the bombing by themselves and Hitlary even bragged about it - "we came, we saw, he died"..Remember???

Give Iran a rest.

Posted by: Zico | Sep 12, 2012 8:33:46 AM | 7

Can anyone say President Romney - LOL I expect Hillary to "resign" soon.

Posted by: Bashar | Sep 12, 2012 10:16:08 AM | 8

We came, we saw, and Christopher Stevens died at the hands of our rats.

Posted by: Arash Darya-Bandari | Sep 12, 2012 10:23:37 AM | 9

You can't say the Ambassador didn't ask for this. These are the "rebels" we helped kill Kadafi?

hans@6: You, obviously, are ignorant or just a shill since a Salafist today refers especially to a follower of a modern Sunni Islamic movement known as Salafiyyah or Salafism, which is related to or includes Wahhabism.

hans@6: Anyone, not retarded, knows Iran is predominately Sh'ite, Twelvers and not Salafist.

Very informative post MoA. I will save your site to favorites

Posted by: icculus | Sep 12, 2012 10:57:27 AM | 10

Maybe an AQ operation with payback from Abdel Hakim Belhadj, who also has a Syria connection. In any case, the US (ironically) had another 9-11 moment in Benghazi - -it should have been prepared for this.

Reuters, Jun 6, 2012
A bomb exploded outside the U.S. diplomatic mission in the Libyan city of Benghazi overnight, an attack that could be retaliation for the killing, in a U.S. drone strike, of al Qaeda's Libyan second-in-command. An improvised explosive device was dropped from a passing vehicle onto the road outside the mission, in an upmarket area of central Benghazi. It exploded moments after, slightly damaging the building's gate, U.S. and Libyan officials said.

Washington had confirmed a few hours before the attack that a U.S.-operated drone had killed Abu Yahya al-Libi, a Libyan-born cleric and senior al Qaeda operative, in Pakistan. . .

The possibility that this act took place because of what happened to Abu Yahya is, in my personal opinion, a very strong one," said Noman Benotman, a Libyan former Islamist who is now an expert on militant groups. "Al Qaeda loyalists maybe wanted to deliver a message to the U.S. ...to say enough is enough," he said. [Benotman was a founder member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG).]

Experts on militant groups had predicted that the killing of Libi, described by U.S. officials as a major blow to al Qaeda, would provoke some kind of backlash in his home country. Though he spent much of his life outside Libya, he was a member of the now-defunct Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which fought an insurgency against Gaddafi in the 1990s, and his family is well known in Libya.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/06/us-libya-attack-us-idUSBRE8550GX20120606


BBC, Jul 4, 2012
Abdel Hakim Belhadj is a rising star in the Libyan leadership and standing for election, but his past ties to jihadi groups have sparked controversy - along with his claims of being tortured at the behest of US and British intelligence agencies under the programme known as rendition.

In Abu Selim prison, Mr Belhadj told the Guardian newspaper, "I was injected with something, hung from a wall by my arms and legs and put in a container surrounded by ice. They did not let me sleep and there was noise all the time."

Mr Belhadj told the BBC that after the CIA and Britain's MI6 intelligence agency got him to Tripoli in March 2004, they did not witness his torture, but interrogated him afterwards.

Mr Belhadj - known in the jihadi world as Abu Abdullah al-Sadiq - commanded the now defunct Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). The group was formed in 1990 by Islamist Libyans who had fought in Afghanistan against Soviet forces in the 1980s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14786753

The Corner, Dec 28, 2011
Mahdi al-Harati, the commander of the so-called Tripoli Brigades, which are widely credited with having played a decisive role in the rebel conquest of the Libyan capital in August. After the seizure of Tripoli, al-Harati was named second-in-command to Abdul-Hakim Belhadj, the head of the newly formed Tripoli Military Council. Belhadj is the historical leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), the Libyan affiliate of al-Qaeda.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286729/libyan-rebel-commander-i-was-imavi-marmarai-john-rosenthal#


AQ fighting group in Syria (US-supported)
Liwaa Al-Umma-"Banner of the Nation" from Libya. Commanded by Mahdi al-Harati in Syria, an Irish-Libyan member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. He was also the commander of the Qatari-trained Tripoli Brigade in the Libyan civil war. Before the Libyan civil war he was an Arabic teacher in Dublin, where he lived with his Irish-born wife and family. . .In October, he returned to Ireland, where he prepared for his Syria trip. A gang of Irish travellers stole 200 thousand Euros in cash, along with jewelry, from Al-Harati's apartment; when asked by police, he said that the money was "a gift by US secret agents", according to the Irish "Sunday World".
http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/index.php?aid=9335

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 11:16:56 AM | 11

That British Quillian Foundation comes to the same conclusion I came to:

The Attack on the US Consulate Was A Planned Terrorist Assault Against US and Libyan Interests

We at Quilliam believe the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi was a well planned terrorist attack that would have occurred regardless of the demonstration, to serve another purpose. According to information obtained by Quilliam – from foreign sources and from within Benghazi – we have reason to believe that the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al-Qaeda’s second in command killed a few months ago.

The reasons for this are as follows:

24 hours before this attack, none other than the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, released a video on Jihadist forums to mark the anniversary of 9/11. In this video, Zawahiri acknowledged the death of his second in command Abu Yahya and urged Libyans to avenge his killing.

According to our sources, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault – it is rare that an RPG7 is present at a peaceful protest.

According to our sources, the attack against the Consulate had two waves. The first attack led to US officials being evacuated from the consulate by Libyan security forces, only for the second wave to be launched against US officials after they were kept in a secure location.

The weak security environment in Libya including in Benghazi and the failure of the government to project its power outside of the capital have been used as a cover for the attack.

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 11:22:04 AM | 12

Benghazi - rhymes with Beirut?

from wired:
Marines Head to Libya After Mob Kills Ambassador

The Marine Corps is sending a complement of about 50 Marines to Libya in response to a violent attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, including the U.S. ambassador to the country.

A Marine “FAST team” — for Fleet Anti-terrorism Security Team — will protect U.S. diplomatic personnel in Libya and is heading there now. Sources at the Department of Defense would not confirm if the FAST team, trained to respond to terrorist incidents and protect U.S. installations, will head to the capitol of Tripoli or the city of Benghazi, where the mob attacked.

There is a Marine FAST team headquartered in Rota, Spain, according to the Marine Corps, but it is not clear if that is the team heading to Libya.

There are two Americans confirmed dead in Libya: U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and a foreign service officer, Sean Smith, a U.S. Air Force veteran. Contrary to early media reports, it does not appear that two Marines were killed alongside Stevens and Smith. A Marine Corps official who would not speak for the record told Danger Room that the Corps did not and currently does not have assets in Benghazi. It is currently unclear whom the two other Americans dead in Libya are.

The FAST teams don’t have standing equipment, such as standard-issue weaponry and vehicles, for generic missions. According to the Marine Corps, the rapid-reaction teams get equipped specifically for the tasks they’re asked to perform, such as evacuating U.S. personnel from crisis areas. Such teams performed evacuation missions in Liberia in 2003 and Haiti in 2004 — but no one from the Defense Department will confirm at the moment whether the FAST team heading to Libya will be tasked with securing U.S. buildings or evacuating U.S. nationals.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/marines-libya/

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 11:31:18 AM | 13


Reuters is reporting that the Ambassador was killed at a secret safe house and not in the ebmassy itself.

Link


Gunmen had attacked and set fire to the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, the cradle of last year's uprising against Muammar Gaddafi's 42-year rule, late on Tuesday evening as another assault was mounted on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

California-born ambassador Christopher Stevens was killed in the assault, but it was not clear how or where he died. U.S. consular staff were rushed to a safe house after the initial attack, Libya's Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif said.

An evacuation plane with U.S. commandos units then arrived from Tripoli to evacuate them from the house.

"It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting," Sharif said. Two U.S. personnel were killed there, he said. Two other people were killed at the main consular building and between 12 and 17 wounded.

Posted by: x | Sep 12, 2012 11:42:29 AM | 14

yeah, you totally nailed it b. totally.

Posted by: annie | Sep 12, 2012 11:48:37 AM | 15

Holohoax Free Speech, you forgot the part where the article says the movie was produced in 2011 and shown in an empty cinema beginning of this year.
Any pretext would suffice. That movie is not the only insult to religions to be found on youtube or anywhere else.
b. is right of course. No it is not an Israeli conspiracy. The US with Sunni against Shiite strategy just gone up in embassy smoke.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2012 11:56:04 AM | 16

Looks like they nailed one of the US' fair haired boys and a rising star of the security establishment. Stevens was assigned to Libya as the envoy to the NTC just as regime change was getting under way. He would have been the US' point person for coordinating regime change. As such, he was no small fish.

This could have been perpetrated by anyone not enamored with the results of regime change in Libya. In mafia terms, the US got their capo, they got the US' sotto capo.

And the beat goes on...

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 12, 2012 12:08:01 PM | 17

Just deleted comments and banned a guy with the handle " Holohoax Free Speech "

Seemed to be the same troll I banned earlier under a different name.

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 12:21:08 PM | 18

as usual, "somebody" doesn't know his arse from his elbow

Posted by: wtf | Sep 12, 2012 12:24:56 PM | 19

Looks like I was a few hours faster with this story than other "experts"

CNN

U.S. sources told CNN on Wednesday that the Benghazi attack was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion. The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it, and they say they don't believe Stevens was specifically targeted.

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 12:50:47 PM | 20

yeah, just like the nanodiamonds. i was just discussing this in email with a friend, you broke it. what thinktankin london? plus, london was on your sitemeter for last 100 visitors when i check 1/2 hr ago.

Meanwhile, a London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack. The assault "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday.

Posted by: annie | Sep 12, 2012 12:55:21 PM | 21

Another 'discussion' forum that censors opposing viewpoints- no matter how well supported- you're dubbed "troll" and banned. welcome to zionist internet sayanim.
b you suck and your useless site too.

Posted by: Truth Troll | Sep 12, 2012 1:11:37 PM | 22

Just deleted comments and banned a guy with the handle " Holohoax Free Speech " Seemed to be the same troll I banned earlier under a different name.
Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 12:21:08 PM | 18

'holohax' comments were right on the money- no matter what the handle. More gatekeeping rationale on another zio-lite site

Posted by: Truth Troll | Sep 12, 2012 1:13:31 PM | 23

Yahya was killed several months ago. clinton now preaching on "how all faiths should be offended" by this attack. But the religious factor insures one religion is vilified, and another benefits? Now who would those be?

Posted by: D Foundaton | Sep 12, 2012 1:16:50 PM | 24

israel behind this too?

Posted by: D Foundaton | Sep 12, 2012 1:18:22 PM | 25

It's not a Zionist conspiracy?Jesus(whom the monsters regularly defame along with Mohammed),you could have fooled me.
And the coward ran into hiding(Bacile)just like the rest of the Godless scum.
And this ambassador had a hand in our depredations in Libya,but that peace corp bit makes one think he's a humanitarian,instead of an alCIAda member,which he more than likely was.
And yes indeed,the chickens come home to roost yet again.
Can't say yet if it was better than a stick up the ass though.
How about it,Shillary?

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 12, 2012 1:36:23 PM | 26

Come to think of it, I think this was a mossad hit..Bibi wants to get rid of Obama at all cost..This incident has given Romney enough ammo pound Obama to bits..

If I were Obama, I'll order Bibi not to step foot in the US..

Posted by: Zico | Sep 12, 2012 1:52:46 PM | 27

If you're into D&D gaming (I'm not) you might enjoy this Sean Smith obit. Smith AKA Vile Rat was a Foreign Service Information Management Officer assigned to the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and was killed in the raid.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 1:55:21 PM | 28

At least we know now that not all Salafi militants have taken up residence in Syria. There appear to be more than enough to go around. Which should make things interesting for the "international community'...and great for drone manufacturers.

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 12, 2012 2:29:01 PM | 29

"But that stupid hate-speech movie was likely only the pretext for yesterday's riots and the attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates."

Then why is it AQ always seems to benefit the Zionist State? Just a "lucky coincidence" AGAIN???

Posted by: kalithea | Sep 12, 2012 2:37:33 PM | 30

yep John H. exactly, seems like the US never learns ...

"Some media reports have also suggested 'Innocence of Muslims', the scandalous film that many blame for sparking the protest, was used as a pretext for the attacks on US embassies in Libya and Cairo.

Senior US officials also told CNN that unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the deadly attack on American personnel. "

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2012 2:38:37 PM | 31

and great for drone manufacturers.

Seems like the US Military is already on the case John.

According to CNN reporter Lisa Desjardins, the United States is planning to fly drones over eastern Libya to look for jihadi camps tied to the deadly embassy attack.

Shouldn't be to hard for the US Military to find Jihadist camps in Libya. US probably delivered weapons to half of them last year. Still drones might be a bad idea considering those 15,000 Manpads that got lost from Gaddaffi's arsenal.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Sep 12, 2012 2:45:22 PM | 32

Oops looks like both somebody and myself posted similar info at almost the same time. You know what they say "great minds think alike".

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Sep 12, 2012 2:47:55 PM | 33

A brief History of US-Al Qaeda love-hate relationship.

(1980 - 1989) Afghanistan: US-Al Qaeda alliance(good friends)

(2003 - 2011+) Iraq/Afghanistan: US against Al Qaeda (bad friends)

(2012+) Libya: US-Al Qaeda alliance(good friends again, almost brothers)

(2012+) Syria: US-Al Qaeda alliance (a match made in heaven, we gotta stick it to them evil Assad, y'know..)

(2012+) Libya(AGAIN): US against Al Qaeda (Let the holy war begin..Syria can wait)


Look out for more drones Libya..Lockheed Martins will be making campaign donations tonight for such godsend development(sorry, incident).Their drones will now be bringing democracy to Libyans. Them Al Qaeda boys can't be trusted with anything! Dammmmnnnn!!!

Posted by: Zico | Sep 12, 2012 2:52:04 PM | 34

re 11 Don Bacon

AQ fighting group in Syria (US-supported)
Liwaa Al-Umma-"Banner of the Nation" from Libya.

Although I understand you're quoting a report, The translation of Liwa' al-Umma is wrong. 'Liwa', although also meaning banner, here means 'brigade'. al-Umma is not nation, but community, meaning the trans-national Islamic community.

Not very important, and not your translation, just pedantry.

Posted by: alexno | Sep 12, 2012 3:03:21 PM | 35

Dominic Asquith *yes a relative*, the British Ambassador to Lybia, was attacked by rockets on 6 June this year, in Benghazi, when he was in convoy, close to the Brit. Embassy. He was not hurt but two guards were.

The link is from the Daily Mail. There are several others, but media attention was muted, -- no idea what happened to the two guards.

http://tinyurl.com/98xfmzh

Asquith (care of goog) was nominated amb. to Lybia in Nov. 2011. He previously served in Egypt, Iraq, Saudi, Argentina, Washington, ....

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12, 2012 3:03:58 PM | 36

The Pope is now proposing a dialogue between religions in response to the Libyan Salafis’ attack on the US Ambassador.

Posted by: hans | Sep 12, 2012 3:05:05 PM | 37

Most likely culprits are Ghadaffi loyalists or some tribe that got left out of the oil deal.

Posted by: dh | Sep 12, 2012 3:11:07 PM | 38

Why would AQ sabotage the potential of getting the U.S. to intervene militarily to depose Assad? I'm not buying that this was planned by them. How does this benefit AQ? It doesn't. The only beneficiary I can see here is the Zionist state. Zionists created and funded the film and everything is coming up roses for them, as more and more Americans are turning into Islamophobes thanks to Zionist hate propaganda against Muslims and as such the prospect of war with the Islamic Republic of Iran becomes much more palatable.

Posted by: kalithea | Sep 12, 2012 3:11:39 PM | 39

The State Department has a history of poor oversigth of contracted embassy/consulate guard forces. On March 14, 2011 Senator Claire McCaskill sent a letter to the State IG regarding poor contract oversight at the Kabul embassy.

Regarding Libya, from Commentary:
Security at the consulate was apparently provided by Libyan nationals hired by the United States. While security for American embassies is typically provided by our own Marines [not always], the two Marines reported killed in yesterday’s attacks appear not to have been stationed at the embassy [consulate], but were sent there from another unknown location as the violence erupted. There is also no indication if these two Marines were the only American military personnel on site at the time of Ambassador Stevens’s death.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/12/a-problem-with-state-department-security/

In the obit for Sean Smith (#28 above) is this tweet:
(12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures

Meanwhile the US has Marines wasting their time in various worthless places around the world.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 3:24:42 PM | 40

Sam Bacile is an anagram for "Islam"+B A C E.

Anyone have a clue as to what those four letters are encoding?

Posted by: Jeremiah Cornelius | Sep 12, 2012 3:44:35 PM | 41

This affair is beginning to smell bad.

The reaction on the comment boards I've seen has been very violent and Islamophobic. It reminds me a lot of the reaction to the bombing of the Golden Dome in Samarra, an affair in which I was directly concerned and therefore followed closely.

I've only seen the trailer, for which Don Bacon kindly provided the link, but it is obvious that it was intended to be extremely offensive. Made by an Israeli-American.

The English version came out in July (not seen by Arabs). Fortuitously, the Arabic version was put out just before the 9/11 anniversary, just in time for demonstrations on the 11th September.

This concatenation of events suggests strongly that the American public is being targeted. In the case of Samarra, it was the Shi'a of Iraq who were successfully enraged.

So why would one want to enrage American public opinion against Islam? Evidently the Israeli attack upon Iran, and defeat Obama.

Parts of this argument will be right, parts wrong.

It is not clear, for example, why one attacks Sunnis, when the aim is the Shi'a of Iran. One response there is that Americans don't know the difference. One sees a lot of claims that Iran is allied with al-Qa'ida, ridiculous though that may seem.

One consequence, though, that seems probable, is that the US and European support for the rebels in Syria may decline or stop. Good news for Bashshar.

Posted by: alexno | Sep 12, 2012 3:47:26 PM | 42

FoxNews:
US officials suspect strike on Benghazi post 'coordinated,' timed for 9/11 anniversary

U.S. officials are increasingly suspicious that the murder Tuesday of the U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other American officials was a "coordinated" strike timed for the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks -- and not the result of a protest against an anti-Islam film.

A senior administration official told Fox News they are exhaustively investigating every angle of the attack in Benghazi, and an earlier assault on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, but there are early signs the Benghazi assault may have been planned. The official cautioned, though, that the administration has not jumped to any conclusions about what happened, saying it would be "premature" to do so.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 3:47:43 PM | 43

Jeremiah Cornelius, bacile = low, base

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2012 4:03:26 PM | 44

alexno, 42, I don't think it was planned from any US/Israeli side, it is pure stupidity

a)letting Al Qeida, Islamist extremist groups run a negative PR campaign in Syria proving the Syrian government right in everything it has been saying
b)killing al Libi who will be replaced by someone younger and fitter
d) somehow reversing course on Syria trying to get "moderate" groups to fight "extremists", and policing the Turkish border, thereby sending frustrated extremists back to Libya and Iraq
c)producing a silly anti-Islamic movie that unites, yes unites, Sunnis and Shiites, Islamists and Salafis, Alewis, Alavis, Sufis ...
d)proving Saif al Islam Gaddafi right who had said "This will be Somalia" - Somalia has not changed, by the way
e)producing an internal US headache how to deal with Egypt, whose government has not come out condemning the embassy attack, but has criticized the movie
f)endangering troops in Afghanistan, embassy personnel ... and making it virtually impossible for local politicians to have normal relationships with the US
g)all of this being great help with Muslim countries should the US decide to confront Iran in any way


Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2012 4:22:49 PM | 45

re 45

Evidently I launched all that in order in order to provoke a response.

re a) Evidently this affair is not good for the argument in Syria. The West will lose by this affair.

re b) not relevant to this question

re d1) Of course illogical, but the event will have that effect.

re c) Do Americans know the difference between Sunni and Shi'a? I think that this affair presumes that they don't. If they do, then this affair will have been of no use.

re d2) of course, it could be entirely accidental, but that it should fall on 9/11 is bizarre.

re e)My argument is not for US logic, but rather for Netanyahu's point of view.

re f) we're talking about Netanyahu's logic, not that of the US.

re g) We are not talking about what Muslims feel - that has no importance - but rather enraging Americans.

Posted by: alexno | Sep 12, 2012 5:37:35 PM | 46

aside of the general absurdity, no secret service maneuver can account for a Us ambassador being killed; this was a great coup by Al-Qaeda and Benghazi militants against the Us and the Us-backed Libyan central government;

I really don't understand this myth that nothing happens in the ME (or in the world, for that matter) that Israel didn't want it to happen; I can imagine one or two Mossad agents, fluent in Arabic, threading *very* carefully in Benghazi; but to set up an assault like that, you need a team of twenty or thirty people that move amongst the locals like a fish in the water ...

Posted by: claudio | Sep 12, 2012 6:38:49 PM | 47

I really don't understand this myth that nothing happens in the ME (or in the world, for that matter) that Israel didn't want it to happen; I can imagine one or two Mossad agents, fluent in Arabic, threading *very* carefully in Benghazi;

Nobody suggests that Israel is omnipotent, far from that.

The question here is how much the events are intended to inflame the Us, without effect on anyone else.

Posted by: alexno | Sep 12, 2012 6:56:37 PM | 48

Nobody suggests that Israel is omnipotent, far from that.

The question here is how much the events are intended to inflame the US, without effect on anyone else.

All that should have been quoted from me.

Posted by: alexno | Sep 12, 2012 7:11:49 PM | 49

Let's not neglect the '07 West Point study: Cracks in the Foundation

Which Tarpley had pointed out... The CIA’s Libya Rebels: 2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment...

Most definitely Blowback...!

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 12, 2012 7:25:42 PM | 50

I really don't understand the myth that, with hundreds of billions of dollars spent on intelligence, things happen to the U.S. that it couldn't foresee and didn't plan for. But then, back in Rumsfeld's day, he often marveled at how clever and how proficient at propaganda al Qaeda was, compared to the U.S.

That eminds me that in any country half the people are below average in intelligence. That's a fact. I wonder if it applies to whole countries? At least their governments.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 7:43:44 PM | 51

But then, back in Rumsfeld's day, he often marveled at how clever and how proficient at propaganda al Qaeda was, compared to the U.S.

Meanwhile, Rummy was busy setting up the Rent-A-General PR shop...! *gah*

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 12, 2012 8:01:25 PM | 52

@Don Bacon

I really don't understand the myth that, with hundreds of billions of dollars spent on intelligence, things happen to the U.S. that it couldn't foresee and didn't plan for.
nice, but untrue, in the sense that it's not a myth, it happens for real; it's not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of ideology, self-deceit, self-interests, infra-bureaucratic conflicts, etc, well known phenomena; this is why I think omnipotence it's a myth, too many cultural, psychological and organizational variables conjure against wise, long-range, knowledgeable, coordinated planning

this is particularly true of the "winners", or those who perceive themselves as such: they become too full of themselves and easily lose touch with reality; the underdogs, those who fight for their life, they can't afford mistakes, which would be harshly punished, so of course they will exert the greatest effort at understanding how things really work, and at planning carefully and wisely

I'm sure the Pentagon, Cia, State Dept, are full of people horrified at the mistakes of their leaders and directors

Posted by: claudio | Sep 12, 2012 8:10:28 PM | 53

@alexno

The question here is how much the events are intended to inflame the Us, without effect on anyone else.
good question, but I think the answer could be found in the scheming of fringe groups intent on fanning the embers of the "clash of civilizations", in a phase in which mainstream politics has abandoned this rhetoric in favor of the export of democracy, the "Arab spring", etc;

Posted by: claudio | Sep 12, 2012 8:21:01 PM | 54

I'm sure the Pentagon, Cia, State Dept, are full of people horrified at the mistakes of their leaders and directors...

Claudio, why do you suppose the Oily Bomber has declared an all-out war on whistleblowers...?

Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 12, 2012 8:22:23 PM | 55

CTuttle - exactly ... and I was only speaking of mistakes; someone there will surely be horrified at their crimes, considering that participating in "special operations" and wars might make you feel deeply patriotic, but if you think it's a mistake, then you'll start seeing the criminal side of such actions

Posted by: claudio | Sep 12, 2012 8:45:20 PM | 56

@claudio
I know, I was copping your words and it didn't work.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2012 8:58:17 PM | 57

Sure, Al Qeida's strategy used to be a mirror image of US strategy, getting the US to intervene whereever they put their flag. However, the US nowadays tries desperately not to intervene - leading from behind, drone warfare .. - so Al Qeida is fighting for more drones nowadays ...
Which of course is a really good recruiting tool, so from al Queida's point of view everything works out just great
Politics is local, US politics and Al Qeida politics
so Al Queida won this round as this does not work for the US at all.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2012 9:12:43 PM | 58

Re: "Ambassador" Stevens' belated demise...

The nicest thing about this first step (in weeding out the Yankee assholes masquerading as human beings) is that he would have seen it coming ... and for a few seconds, at least, was able to feel like an Eye-Racki, an Afghani, a Syrian and/or a Libyan etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

May many more amoral mouthpieces for the 1% suffer the same fate - and worse.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 13, 2012 3:33:59 AM | 59

As far as i remember this is the region that has been thinking about (or even declaring?) independence from tripolitania. Maybe people down there still are upset about not owning the oil and refinery themselves. It would not come as a big surprise to see that some folks there didn't get their share of the cake that the west has been cutting up.

Posted by: peter radiator | Sep 13, 2012 3:41:02 AM | 60

"Frankenstein", the monster created/supported by (US/CIA) strikes again - just like 9/11 attacks. All these groups were either created, supported, trained and/or used by the U.S. think tanks (at CIA) and later abandoned after achieving immediate goals (in past). For sure, "Frankenstein" will resurface again !!!

Posted by: Jawed | Sep 13, 2012 8:52:29 AM | 61

@don bacon - the phrase you looking for is 'group think'.
Its little amusing that Barry's Gang whined pathetically about the Romney gang accusing them of almost apologizing to the embassy raiders, but then they were hardly going to be accused of causing this attack by getting rid off Ghaddaffi.

Posted by: heathroi | Sep 13, 2012 2:43:35 PM | 62

@hoarsewhisperer nobody deserves to die like that, not Iraqis, Syrians, Ghadaffi, Ambassador Stevens, our friend Hilary or even Cheney.

Posted by: heathroi | Sep 13, 2012 2:49:15 PM | 63

@ heathroi.

".. nobody deserves to die like that, not Iraqis, Syrians, Ghadaffi, Ambassador Stevens, our friend Hilary or even Cheney."

Wtf is that supposed to mean?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 13, 2012 3:24:15 PM | 64

Connect the dots.

Clinton, today:
We are closely watching what is happening in Yemen and elsewhere, and we certainly hope and expect that there will be steps taken to avoid violence and prevent the escalation of protests into violence.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197711.htm

Long War Journal
There have been 33 US airstrikes so far this year in Yemen which have murdered 35 civilians, and reportedly 158 al-Qaeda.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/multimedia/Yemen/code/Yemen-strike.php

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 13, 2012 3:27:47 PM | 65

One must not forget Abd al-Wahhab Muhammad Qaid (aka Abu Idris). He is the elder brother of Abu Yahya al-Libi and one of "the most senior members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group". In fact, he is said to be the right-hand-man of LIFG leader and Tripoli Military Council commander Abdelhakim Belhadj.

References:
Delivered Into Enemy Hands – US-Led Abuse and Rendition of Opponents to Gaddafi’s Libya. Human Rights Watch. September 6, 2012. pp. 26. ISBN 1-56432-940-2
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2012/09/05/delivered-enemy-hands

"Libya Releases Remaining LIFG Members – Including 'Adb Al-Wahhab Muhammad Qaid, Brother Of Al-Qaeda Commander Abu Yahya Al-Libi". Middle East Media Research Institute. February 2011
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/34891.htm

Jarret Brachman (March 25, 2010). "Today I Interviewed Abu Yahya al-Libi’s Older Brother, Abd al-Wahhab Muhammad Qaid (Abu Idris)"
http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=610

Interestingly, there was some rumor in September 2011 that Abu Yahya al-Libi is promoted to head the battalion of "national guards" in Benghazi. Evidently this was false. It could have been his look-a-like brother Abd al-Wahhab instead.
https://www.facebook.com/hands.off.libya/posts/253632858014543

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 13, 2012 3:28:38 PM | 66

Anyone causing that many deaths, and being pro death-penalty themselves deserve to die.

Posted by: Alexander | Sep 13, 2012 3:34:55 PM | 67

I have not seen a photo of Abd al-Wahhab Muhammad Qaid, but he may be the man that accompanies Abdelhakim Belhadj on his victorious arrival in Tripoli in August 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGu0oJdV1pQ&t=2m23s

Images from this Al Jazeera video often accompany the false claim that Belhadj, not Abd al-Wahhab is the brother of Abu Yahya al-Libi.
http://libyasos.blogspot.fi/2011/09/abdelhakim-belhadj-aka-hasidi-aka-abu.html
http://www.albasrah.net/ar_articles_2011/0811/nesr_270811.htm

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 13, 2012 3:52:09 PM | 68

SecState Clinton is working the tough diplomatic problems (just kidding), today hosting a representative of the King of Morocco at a "U.S.-Morocco Strategic Dialogue." Clinton: "In many ways, the United States looks to Morocco to be a leader and a model. His Majesty King Mohammed deserves great credit for the work you’ve undertaken. . .On political reform, we have all seen remarkable changes taking place across North Africa and the Middle East. I commend Morocco and your government for your efforts to stay ahead of these changes by holding free and fair elections, empowering the elected parliament, taking other steps to ensure that the government reflects the will of the people."
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197711.htm

Clinton is talking about King Mohammed IV who holds exclusive power in a country of 32 million with low literacy and high poverty, totally at odds with Morocco's self-proclaimed emergence as a modern democracy.

"It all looks like a prayer — it gives a divine sense to the king [speaking of a royal ceremony with much bowing and scraping]," complained activist Zeinab Belmkaddem of the Feb. 20 activist movement that led pro-democracy protests last year. She said that while the new constitution no longer describes the king as a sacred figure, true democracy is impossible as long as he occupies such elevated status over the elected officials. "The rituals play a role in this, when the head of the government goes to meet the king, everyone around him is bowing down and kissing (the king's) hand and it condemns the conversation to be one between master and servant."
http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Royalty+still+clings+on+to+power+in+Morocco&NewsID=346269

The US Secretary of State hosting a U.S.-Morocco Strategic Dialogue when we have Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt, etc etc. The mind boggles at the U.S. wasting time, at any time, on a "strategic dialogue" with a small raggedy-ass country run by an eighteenth century-style despotic dictator.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 13, 2012 3:57:08 PM | 69

Looks like I was a few hours faster with this story than other "experts"

CNN

U.S. sources told CNN on Wednesday that the Benghazi attack was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion. The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it, and they say they don't believe Stevens was specifically targeted.

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 12:50:47 PM | 20


so who else has been using protests as a cover for an attack?......... why the islamists in Syria!

Posted by: brian | Sep 13, 2012 6:00:11 PM | 70

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2012 11:22:04 AM | 12

'US and Libyan interests'...so afte 40 years the two are now realligned

Posted by: brian | Sep 13, 2012 6:01:43 PM | 71

NBC
Libyan president tells NBC: 'Foreigners' involved in US Consulate attack
Libyans and "foreigners" carried out the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf told NBC News on Saturday.

Magariaf's interview with NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin was the first time any Libyan official has said foreigners were involved in the planning and execution of the Tuesday night attack that took the lives of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others.

"We have assumptions and we have some information, and all that information we have now leads to the same direction about the perpetrators, the criminals," Magariaf told NBC in the interview aired on "Nightly News" Saturday.
Libyans and "foreigners" carried out the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf told NBC News on Saturday.

Magariaf's interview with NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin was the first time any Libyan official has said foreigners were involved in the planning and execution of the Tuesday night attack that took the lives of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others.

"We have assumptions and we have some information, and all that information we have now leads to the same direction about the perpetrators, the criminals," Magariaf told NBC in the interview aired on "Nightly News" Saturday.

Foreigners were involved in the planning and execution of the attack, he said. Magariaf did not identify where the foreigners came from but said he was sharing details with U.S. officials.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/15/13885782-libyan-president-tells-nbc-foreigners-involved-in-us-consulate-attack?lite

I'm guessing Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16, 2012 12:13:49 PM | 72

But Magariaf here qualifies his remarks and says it's not Saudi Arabia or Qatar:

He said he had evidence "foreign countries" were involved in supporting the attack on the consulate but declined to name them. "It's a deliberate calculated action by a group working in collaboration with non-Libyan extremists. I would not be surprised if it's another country, but it's not Saudi Arabia or Qatar, I'm sure."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/16/libyan-president-magariaf-military-action?newsfeed=true

Abushagur and Magariaf were brought into Libya by US/UK so we can't rule out that they might blame Iran.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16, 2012 1:01:44 PM | 73

The coverup begins.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A deadly assault on a U.S. consulate in Libya was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday, even as Libya's president insisted the attackers spent months preparing and carefully choosing their date — the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Ambassador Susan Rice said evidence gathered so far shows no indication of a premeditated or coordinated strike. She said the attack in Benghazi, powered by mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, appeared to be a copycat of demonstrations that had erupted hours earlier outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, spurred by a YouTube film attributed to a California man mocking the Prophet Muhammad.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16, 2012 3:50:18 PM | 74

This kinda reminds me of how US Army Staff Sergeant E-6 Robert Bales allegedly massacred all those Afghans all by himself six months ago and now has completely dropped out of any news reports.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16, 2012 3:56:55 PM | 75

For some reason the US doesn't want to blame the regular bogeyman al-Qaeda for this one. I wonder why. I'm waiting(hoping)* for a whistle-blower.

*In Spanish it's the same word -- esperar -- that's nice.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16, 2012 4:20:00 PM | 76

For some reason the US doesn't want to blame the regular bogeyman al-Qaeda for this one. I wonder why.

But Bin Laden is DEAD! Haven't you been following the DNC - it's Obama's greatest achievement as president! How could Al Qaeda be carrying out sophisticated attacks against US embassies when Bin Laden is DEAD! It would just kind of diminish the whole thing, you know...

Posted by: KenM | Sep 17, 2012 1:02:54 AM | 77

"But Bin Laden is DEAD!" - Clinton succeeded in neutralizing Obama's electoral wild card, resurrecting AQ (I'm still convinced she is the real "liberal interventionist" in the Us administration - the leftist equivalent of the "crazies", whereas Obama's only spiritual guide are the polls)

Posted by: claudio | Sep 17, 2012 3:05:42 AM | 78

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