Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 13, 2012

Syrian Army Is Now Taking The Initiative

Hillary Clinton is making pointless propaganda:

A shipment of attack helicopters is "on the way from Russia to Syria, which will escalate the conflict quite dramatically," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday, heightening pressure on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's staunchest international backer.

Russia denies this and even the Pentagon disagrees with Clinton:

Pentagon sources suggested that Mrs. Clinton, in her remarks at a Brookings Institution event, was referring to a Russian-made attack helicopter that Syria already owns but has not yet deployed to crack down on opposition forces. While these helicopters, known as Mi-24s, are flown by Syrian pilots, Russia supplies spare parts and provides maintenance for them.

The Syrian army already has some 70 attack helicopters but has so far hardly used them.

But that will now change. The rebels are getting serious anti-tank weapons:

The fierce government assaults from the air are partly a response to improved tactics and weaponry among the opposition forces, which have recently received more powerful antitank missiles from Turkey, with the financial support of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, according to members of the Syrian National Council, the main opposition group in exile, and other activists.
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Speaking in Istanbul, council members also described efforts to supply the opposition with arms, specifically antitank weaponry delivered by Turkish Army vehicles to the Syrian border, where it was then transferred to smugglers who took it into Syria.

The use of tanks in clearing cities and villages from rebels is difficult and costly as the rebels now have serious anti-armour stuff. The Syrian army will therefore have to use other weapons, artillery and helicopters, to clear rebel positions.

Two weeks ago I wrote It Is Getting Urgent For Assad To Act:

The right time for a full onslaught on the armed opposition may come the very next days.

Waiting too long with a decisive move will only let the problem of armed rebels fester and would, in the end, likely cost much more blood on all sides of the conflict.

It seems that the Syrian government is now following that advice and taking back the initiative:

As the Assad regime’s Syrian, Arab and Western enemies prepare to usher in a new stage in the bloody confrontation, the Syrian authorities have been mulling over their own plans for a comprehensive military showdown. The aim this time will not just be to prevent the creation of armed opposition concentrations or enclaves, but to “destroy all armed groups, irrespective of their nature or identity.”
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In addition to pursuing the goal of clearing Homs and its hinterland of armed opposition enclaves and cells, action is being taken against concentrations of opposition fighters elsewhere, especially bases and training sites near the Turkish, Iraqi and Jordanian borders. The Syrian army appears to have embarked on a campaign described as “extremely harsh.” aimed at “exterminating entire groups” of rebels.
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Russia is not expected to stand in the way of the Syrian authorities as they embark on actions that could be of different order to what we have seen so far.

There are even rumors that Russia is preparing some of its own troops for an eventual deployment to Syria.

If the reports by the official Syrian news agency SANA are correct the new operations against the rebels already has some success but at relatively high costs.

Some UN people said that Syria is now in a civil war suggesting a somewhat even balance between the parties. I think that is hugely exaggerated. Western media claimed that the revolt in Syria was by all parts of the Syrian population and only now changes into a sectarian conflict. That is simply wrong. The fighting was from the very beginning sectarian with the rebels naming each Friday after this or that Sunni hero. These foreign supported, and partly foreign led, Sunni rebel groups will have huge difficulties to survive a real onslaught by the united Syrian army.

As long as Russia stands strongly behind the Syrian government, and there is no sign that the support will change, no foreign intervention will come to their help. There is simply no appetite for that. Today's bombing in Iraq with nearly a hundred people killed is a reminder of how "intervention" in such conflicts doesn't help at all.

Posted by b on June 13, 2012 at 04:31 AM | Permalink

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>>> If the reports by the official Syrian news agency SANA are correct the new operations against the rebels already has some success but at relatively high costs.>>>

SANA is correct in the same way State Dept press releases and CNN and David Ignatius essays are correct.

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 5:15:24 AM | 1

>>> Hillary Clinton is making pointless propaganda>>>

To add a bit of perspective in which this propaganda was made. It was at a Brookings Institution luncheon hosted by Martin Indyk to honor Chaim Saban to which Clinton (sitting in front of flags of Israel and the US) and Shimon Peres were invited to make feel-good chatter about Syria and Iran.

http://www.brookings.edu/events/2012/06/12-saban-clinton-peres#

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 5:36:53 AM | 2

Thanks,B
By destroying the Syrian Government even though the Russians / Chinese are trying to stop it the US will show that it is all powerful and that no one can rely on Russia / China for protection anywhere from the US. It can take out anyone if it wants.
YOU MAY NOW BE SEEING THE START OF WAR / ARM WRESTLING BETWEEN THE US AND RUSSIA / CHINA.
Russia will lose too much credability in all theatres if it loses this one.
The USA has the ability but not the stomach. Wrong battleground. Bad call. USA will wait.

Posted by: boindub | Jun 13, 2012 5:51:47 AM | 3

SANA is correct in a way the state dept releases CNN and any western journo cant be

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 6:50:02 AM | 4

As long as Russia stands strongly behind the Syrian government, and there is no sign that the support will change, no foreign intervention will come to their help.

And Iran, there are scores to be settled by Iran especially the cut throats from Iraq.

Posted by: hans | Jun 13, 2012 7:20:11 AM | 5

The only way US-NATO's regime-change plot can tip the scales against Assad quickly (from this stage) is if they can destroy sufficient civilian water, electricity, communications and administrative infrastructure to remove all traces of "modernity" and oblige the majority of Syrians to swing their focus from concerns for the future to day to day survival. This type of scheme probably requires that Syria's military assets and infrastructure should be targeted before or simultaneous with civilian infrastructure.

NATO (lily-livered poseurs that they are) would prefer to demolish Syria's defense capability and then use aircraft to destroy civilian infrastructure. But using aircraft isn't an option until Syria's defenses have been neutralised. Being lily-livered and 'casualty-sensitive' it is quite likely that NATO will use missiles to accomplish stage 1 of its destruction campaign and this is where Russia (and China if necessary) will come in.
They will be able to legitimately target the sites from which missiles (or aircraft) are launched - whether inside or outside Syria and whether the site is US, Fr, Brit or Turkish. Russia has already warned against external interference and if interference via missile invites a backlash as lethal as one using aircraft, NATO and the Yankees will quickly run out of volunteers and lose their appetite for casualties in a zero-sum game.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13, 2012 8:03:26 AM | 6

“I think that is hugely exaggerated. Western media claimed that the revolt in Syria was by all parts of the Syrian population and only now changes into a sectarian conflict. “

NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign

by Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-preparing-vast-disinformation

Posted by: Rd. | Jun 13, 2012 8:23:05 AM | 7

@ 7: Thanks for the link. Interesting.

Posted by: ben | Jun 13, 2012 9:32:03 AM | 8

United Nations is now threatning anyone who opposes Yemen's dictator

http://www.chron.com/news/article/UN-threatens-sanctions-against-Yemen-opponents-3627538.php

Posted by: nikon | Jun 13, 2012 9:48:46 AM | 9

Nikon #9, you have to read between the lines; it's about Saudia.

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 10:24:59 AM | 10

Arab states arm rebels as UN talks of Syrian civil war

Rebel fighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) have received weapons from the two Gulf countries, which were transported into Syria via Turkey with the implicit support of the country's intelligence agency, MIT, according to a Western diplomat in Ankara.
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"The Turkish government helped us to be armed," said one member of the FSA living in the Turkey-Syria border area. He claimed that the weapons had arrived at a Turkish port via ship and were then driven to the border without interference from Turkish authorities.
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The SNC is seen as having lost nearly all of its legitimacy with Syrian activists inside the country after failing to unite the fractured opposition. Yet, it appears that Turkey insisted the SNC vouch for the specific FSA groups that would receive the weapons before allowing the arms to cross the border.

"Officially, they are not going to admit it," the diplomat said. However, the SNC are "their guys", he said, referring to MIT. The vetting process was aimed at preventing the weapons from falling into the hands of Islamic extremists. Yet, the diplomat voiced concerns that, in practice, the weapons have only been delivered to rebels sympathetic to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, the dominant group within the SNC. "Only Muslim Brother groups are getting weapons," he said. Activists along the border not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood said they had not heard of the weapons being delivered until just a few days ago.

Posted by: b | Jun 13, 2012 10:55:52 AM | 11

The West has little appetite... Exactly correct. Those running the show and those egging them on--Congress, neocons, Zionists, Saudis and Qataris are a bunch of arm chair warmongers. The latter group will fight to the last dead American. American warmongers think they have found nirvana--empire without spilling American blood, fought by remote control, and funded without raising taxes. And so, most of the adventurism is against the poor and defenseless (Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen) or the oil-rich an defenseless (Iraq and Libya.)

The "international community" knows that if they faced a real opponent, one that could deliver so much as a bloody nose, they would be in trouble. European warmongers-light would bolt for the exits. Ordinary Americans would start to ask questions and demand answers about why their Social Security was being axed. And the Chinese might make noise about lending the US so much money for their stupid adventures (they would continue to fund the insanity in hopes of getting the US into another quagmire.)

My guess is that more and more Syrians will reluctantly side with their mafia-style government against the Saudi and Qatari supported rebels. Given a choice between living under Assad or under the extremism of the Wahhabis, they will choose Assad.

Going back as far as the Omayyads, Syria has never been fertile ground for an extremist, desert religion, which is why the Omayyads adapted Islam to their own cultural traditions, allowing it to flourish.

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 13, 2012 11:20:23 AM | 12

Rumor that the Pope may cancel his Sept 16th visit to Lebanon because of unrest in Syria and the area in general. The Syrian Christians are holding their breath until the visit when the Pope is supposed to address an exhortation to the world to help the Syrians. If he cancels, there won't be much of a chance for the Christians of Syria; they would probably all end up in Lebanon and in line with the Syrian rebels calls for "Christians to Lebanon Alawites to the grave".

From Catholic Culture Org:

Fighting in Syria raises concerns about Pope's scheduled trip to neighboring Lebanon

CWN - June 12, 2012

Unrest in the Middle East, and especially in Syria, has begun to raise questions about the plans for a September trip to Lebanon by Pope Benedict XVI.

Escalating violence in Syria has caused concern that the fighting could spill over into neighboring Lebanon. Vatican analysts note that Syria has exerted considerable control over Lebanon in recent years, and groups sympathetic to both factions in the Syrian struggle have a strong presence in Lebanon as well.

Vatican officials have privately confirmed plans for a papal trip to Lebanon in mid-September. During that visit the Pope is scheduled to release his apostolic exhortation concluding the work of the Synod of Bishops for the Middle East, which met in Rome in October 2010.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=14610

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 11:24:33 AM | 13

I guess it will be the first and only person to point out the obviously sad contradiction that, for b, it's okay for Russia to intervene, but nobody else.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 13, 2012 11:29:51 AM | 14

JohnH #9. the Omayyads were a tribe from Mecca so i don't know what you mean
by desert religion. There was some periods where nut jobs ruled but on the whole
it was ok. The current takfiri trend can be traced back to Ibn Taymiah and then
Abed Al Wahab and his alliance with the house of Saud

Posted by: erraticideas | Jun 13, 2012 11:31:17 AM | 15

Russia is now publicly stating the obvious, that the US is directly arming the Syria rebels:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-russia-syriabre85c0o2-20120613,0,6033864.story

Russia's foreign minister on Wednesday defended his country's sale of arms to Syria and accused the United States of supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.

Posted by: Bill | Jun 13, 2012 11:59:25 AM | 16

slothrop, actually I notced, you are right on this one :-))

With China/Russia it is a new cold war, just Iran seems to have switched sides this time (after their revolution first they did was to eliminate the communists in their country ...)

And this time the US has managed to bury themselves in Afghanistan. which was before Iran the most stupid thing they could do ...

Plus there is no communist but a Salafi threat this time round.

Which somehow tells me that war is the end and not a means to an end

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2012 12:12:55 PM | 17

Russia is responding to Zionist intervention,disinformation,and demonization of a leader, Assad,whose crimes are paper thin compared to the Ziomonsters and alCIAda's track record of trammeled and destroyed humanity.
Slop to the contrary.
Hubris;the overweening pride of those who think they are first when all evidence to the contrary says they are somewhere in the middle of the pack,between mad dogs and wolves.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 13, 2012 12:38:01 PM | 18

Rumor that the Pope may cancel his Sept 16th visit to Lebanon because of unrest in Syria and the area in general.

It seems the Zionist have a hold of the Vatican


Palestinian officials voiced concern about possible concessions by the Vatican ahead of talks on Tuesday between Israel and the Holy See on the status of Catholic Church property in Jerusalem.

The Palestinians said a copy of an alleged draft agreement prepared for the talks, which could not be independently verified, reportedly includes an implicit recognition by the Vatican of Israel's annexation of east Jerusalem.
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The Vatican is reportedly preparing to accept the application of Israeli law on Catholic Church properties in east Jerusalem, which Palestinians say would be a violation of international law.

This stab in the back so that the Zionist MSM will leave the Vatican and the Pope in peace. So do not put too much faith in the Pope's visit!

Posted by: Hans | Jun 13, 2012 1:00:11 PM | 19

Slothtrob and somebody

No, he's not right. If USA attack, and then Russia fight off that attack, is not the same as Russia intervening in a r2p style in a souvereign country. Which is what b is saying, right?

Posted by: Alexander | Jun 13, 2012 1:01:10 PM | 20

@17, slobthrob is not making the important distinction between who intervenes first and who second.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 13, 2012 1:59:18 PM | 21

Hillary’s Little Startup: How the U.S. Is Using Technology to Aid Syria’s Rebels

Training the rebels in encryption etc.

But there is much to that that the Obama lauding piece says. The mediatraining for the demonstrators and rebels must have started years ago. Avaaz and other sneaky organizations seem to be much involved.

Posted by: b | Jun 13, 2012 2:00:32 PM | 22

21 I think the correct description is "proxy war".

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2012 2:38:56 PM | 23

by the way, what is going on in Tunisia?
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Tunisia-1-dead-62-injured-in-riots-by-Islamists-3630013.php

Posted by: somebody | Jun 13, 2012 3:05:20 PM | 24

Assuming you can't speak Arabic, if you'd like to get some of the flavour of what the anti-government protesters in Syria are chanting positively for in recent months (beyond the negative chant "down with the regime"), the following User Channel at Youtube has some protest videos where the words of the chants are translated to English in subtitles. You will see at this User Channel many examples where the protesters are calling for the re-establishment of a Caliphate. Calls for a Caliphate were rare in street protests in Syria in year 2011, but have become common in 2012 as a (fuzzy) vision for what to replace the Assadists with. Standardly in 2011 the protesters chanted invocations to God such as "God is Great", "God is our guiding light" and suchlike. But that did not amount to calls for a Caliphate. The owner of this Youtube User Channel is pro-Caliphate and his selections for translation don't aim to be representative of all protests, though: http://www.youtube.com/user/AhlNussrah/videos

Examples:

Neighborhood of Kafr Souseh in Damascus, evening protest, 30 May 2012, relatively large crowd, many in the crowd are wearing face masks. Chants include "We will only accept Caliphate", "Here I am at your service God", "Through Islam, the Levant shall be raised high", "Assad is the enemy of God", "We are willing to become martyrs". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzwIVuar-Q

Small crowd in the smallish town of Aazaz in Aleppo province, Friday 8 Jun 2012, chants "The people want a Caliphate", "The army of Mohammed shall return", "Martyrdom is blessed by God": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaobJ4I8aCM

Crowd in Al-Atareb town in Aleppo province (near the border with Idlib province), Friday 4 May 2012. "The people want an Islamic Caliphate", "We want to re-establish the Caliphate", "The Muslim Community wants a Caliphate once again". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CQyQrETCJw .

Crowd in Binish town in Idlib province, Friday 20 Apr 2012, chants they want to re-establish a Caliphate. They also chant "Death, Death to Israel". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQgMmgBxi_o . Same town on Friday 27 Apr 2012 has the same crowd with chants including "We want to carry the banner of the Prophet Mohammed": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXw17OYieRg .


Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 3:36:52 PM | 25

>>> by the way, what is going on in Tunisia?>>>

Haven't you heard, somebody, it was called the "Arab Spring". The West put its hand into that of the fundamentalists in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen and now Syria and it's backfiring everywhere, but maybe that was the game plan. Somehow the lesson with the Afghan Mujahideen was not learned. It's not much different in Libya or in Egypt and Yemen. In Tunisia, the Salafi are perplexed why there are so many scantilly-dressed women at universities when they should be at home properly dressed and making babies (remember the Taliban and girls' education?). You haven't seen anything yet; wait until the Egyptian elections are over and the fundies start demanding their pound of flesh. BTW, the fundy movement in Jordan, Kuwait, Algeria and Morocco is picking up steam. This is what the West is backing with the Syrian rebels.

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 3:55:20 PM | 26

I just mentioned Al-Atareb town in western Aleppo province near the border with Idlib province. Last year Al-Atareb had anti-government protests and some sporadic violence. Recently this has changed to full fledged armed rebellion. Lots of videos of recent fighting in the town between rebels and the forces of law and order are at http://www.youtube.com/user/syria4ever2/videos .

Al-Bab town in eastern Aleppo province did NOT have anti-government protests last year, 2011. But protests there have been growing in 2012. Last Friday, 8 Jun 2012, it had what I believe is the biggest-ever turnout for an anti-government protest in Al-Bab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yfXGP3HI0 . It was bigger than the one on Friday 1 Jun 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFS3Rrh4Gq0 . It was far bigger than the turnout size in Al-Bab in the early months of 2012. When I consider all the bad press the rebellion has gotten from the mainstream Syrian media (which is undoubtedly being consumed by the generality of people in Al-Bab) and I consider that those protesters in Al-Bab must be well aware of the destruction and mayhem that the rebellion causes, then it is disturbing that the turnout size for rebel protests is growing. Disturbing at least to me.

Today 13 Jun 2012 the Syrian government reiterated that there is not a "civil war" in Syria. That may be so and it depends on one's defintion of "civil war". But no matter what one's defintion of "civil war" may be, the evidence is indisputable that the country is moving further in the direction of civil war at a pretty brisk pace. I can agree with 'b' above that "rebel groups will have huge difficulties to survive a real onslaught by the united Syrian army." Nevertheless, things have been deteriorating and can potentially deteriorate more.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 4:08:46 PM | 27

In the article linked to by 'b' #11, a Turkish government official said: "Turkey is not providing arms to anybody, nor sending armed elements to any neighbouring country, including Syria." I believe him. And I don't believe the rumours to the contrary being disseminated by 'b'. I have observed with my own eyes at Youtube in June that a non-tiny number of the Syrian rebels are better armed now than they were in March or April. And I've read a couple of reporters on the ground in Syria who affirm the same. Okay. But I see no intelligent basis for believing the rumour that the government of Turkey has facilitated it, and is lying about it. For starters, the rumour is said to be coming from FSA sources. With no other information other than those sources, if you give more credence to FSA sources than to the Turkish government sources, you're making a error.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 4:18:00 PM | 28

The following is about Libya but it has relevance to what could happen in Syria in a hypothetical future scenario.

PressTV on location in Benghazi in Libya on 8 June 2012 has a video of an armed demonstration or military parade by Islamists. The armed demonstrators chant "The people want an Islamic state" and "The people want Sharia". They want a much more Islamic Religious State for Libya. The PressTV report makes the comment: "By staging a MILITARY parade the protesters confirmed they would protect the sanctity of Sharia with their lives." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ZPit3nVXo , http://www.presstv.ir/detail/245246.html

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 4:21:11 PM | 29

PressTV on location in Benghazi in Libya on 8 June 2012 has a video of an armed demonstration or military parade by Islamists. The armed demonstrators chant "The people want an Islamic state" and "The people want Sharia".

PressTV and the Iranian government were cheer leaders for this armed revolution by the rats and bigots.

Posted by: hans | Jun 13, 2012 4:48:31 PM | 30

>>> PressTV and the Iranian government were cheer leaders for this armed revolution by the rats and bigots>>>


Not really, Hans, the Iranians were simply against Gaddafi and didn't really care who was fighting him. In fact, those fighting Gaddafi were sworn enemies of the Shia and Iran, the Sunni Salafi fundamentalists. The reason Iran was against Gaddafi was the same reason why he was hated by the Lebanese Shia and all other Shia because in the early 70s, Gaddafi was reputed to have made disappear a Lebanese Shia Imam, Moussa al-Sadr (cousin of Iraq's Moqtada al-Sadr), that was in Libya on his way to Italy to gather support for ending the Lebanese civil war. Gaddafi was a backer of one of the militias in the civil war and stopping it as the Imam was trying to do was not in his best interest. The Imam is revered by all Shia for his ecumenical message, his love for the Palestinian cause and his hate for the Israelis.

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 5:23:15 PM | 31

Parviziyi @ 25

That's really interesting, because only last weekend the Nordic prime-ministers (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland) came out in support of "the protestors in Syria fighting for democracy against the brutal repression of the Assad regime". The western public seem to still believe these are the glossy democratic reformists originally envisioned when they heard of The Arab Spring. And that goes right up to the top, they seem blissfully ignorant to the real state of affairs. I still haven't decided if Hillary Clinton too just has bad advisers, or if she's really a conspirator.

Posted by: Alexander | Jun 13, 2012 5:25:08 PM | 32

Posted by: nikon | Jun 13, 2012 9:48:46 AM | 9

another of the US friendly dictators..! how can the continue to clami they are bringing freedom and democracy when they support (and always have) slavery and dictatorship?!

Yemen can now be added to the list of US friendly dictatorships
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2844.htm

its long past time the vile US regime was sanctioned

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 5:43:51 PM | 33

Posted by: Alexander | Jun 13, 2012 5:25:08 PM | 32

ironic as Norway is supposed to have a quasi socialist govt...yet it to is a slave of the Usrael war machine

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 5:44:56 PM | 34

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 4:21:11 PM | 29

Press TV openly supported the insurgency in libya

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 5:45:59 PM | 35

Did a search and am posting a relevant tidbit concerning a prior post ofan earlier commentron the Illuminati astrology& Syria crisis. This came up on a website:
Dec 10, 2011 Total Lunar Eclipse eastern Asia, Australia, and northwestern North America. Blood Moon. It is will be visible at moonrise in Africa and Europe, and at moonset in North America. Eclipse falls exactly square to Bashar Assad of Syria's natal Sun/Moon opposition. This will mark great problems for him, possibly even overthrowing his regime, but at least creating turmoil in Syria. Full Moon and Eclipse in the sign on Gemini.

Posted by: JL | Jun 13, 2012 5:47:18 PM | 36

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 3:36:52 PM | 25
the religions pf the book: islam christianity and judaism are esp prone to religious madness

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 5:47:38 PM | 37

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 5:23:15 PM | 31

Actually he is correct. Even Hezbollah TV had a big tribute to the Arab Spring on their website. A few top Iranofficials last fall criticised theBashar govt and told it to listen to prtester's "legitimate complaints". what wasthat all about???

Posted by: JL | Jun 13, 2012 5:51:59 PM | 38

russia's motives are as pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: wenis | Jun 13, 2012 5:54:49 PM | 39

Didn't Russian Orthdox Church urge Putin to protect Syria Christians?

Posted by: nikon | Jun 13, 2012 6:06:19 PM | 40

>>> PressTV on location in Benghazi in Libya on 8 June 2012 has a video of an armed demonstration or military parade by Islamists. The armed demonstrators chant "The people want an Islamic state" and "The people want Sharia". They want a much more Islamic Religious State >>>


Parviziyi #29, this is nothing more than shit-disturbing by the Iranians coupled with their crocodile tears for the Salafi that were oppressed by Gaddafi for over 40 years. First, they hate the Salafi more than Gaddafi hated them; it's their Syrian Salafi cousins that are chanting "Christians to Beirut Alawites to the grave" so you can't believe there's any real love for them by the Iranians. Second, this brouhaha demonstrations for Sharia Law for Libya that the Iranians are supposedly sympathetic to, runs against the grain of Iran's own form of Sharia. It was last fall that Libya's new leader, Mustapha Abdul Jalil, declared the new Islamic Republic of Libya and announced that legislation in the new republic will be in accordance with Sharia Law, of which the first new law will be to re-institute the polygamy that Gaddafi had outlawed decades ago. A not so promising future for Libya and the other "Arab Spring" countries.

You are very right that stuff like this and like in Tunisia would happen in Syria if the Assad regime falls and is replaced by the fundamentalists.

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 6:06:30 PM | 41

Some UN monitors spying in Syria: Jordanian observer
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/13/245983/some-un-monitors-spying-in-syria/


so its no surprise:
'There are reports that "Syrian Helicopters have fired on rebel strongholds"
The news preceding that was the "US fears another massacre"

Addressing the first linked story. Where is the information coming from? The articles claim the information comes from the UN monitors. But, is it? Or are the UN monitors getting information from the rebels?

U.N. monitors say the Syrian government is using helicopters for air attacks against rebel strongholds, and there are fears that many civilians are trapped in besieged cities.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31562.htm

The UN is being undermined once again! The UN like the US has zero concern for civilians.

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 6:12:15 PM | 42

russia's motives are as pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: wenis | Jun 13, 2012 5:54:49 PM | 39

compared to the USrael saudis they are!

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 6:13:18 PM | 43

Russia may form an alliance with greece and become the new Byzantine empire

Posted by: nikon | Jun 13, 2012 6:17:46 PM | 44

this is laughable:


War crimes court: Libyan detention of court staff is illegal

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-eu-international-court-libya,0,839809.story

this is the ICC who's legal status(and certainly legitimacy) is questionable when its clearly a political instrument.

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 6:18:54 PM | 45

and unleashing jihadis is not always a good move!

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-jihadis-claims-us-consulate-attack-215920446.html
they are loose cannons who can end up turning on their handlers!

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 6:20:15 PM | 46

They should have done this a while ago...

Posted by: Sophia | Jun 13, 2012 6:28:10 PM | 47

>>> ironic as Norway is supposed to have a quasi socialist govt...yet it to is a slave of the Usrael war machine>>>

Brian #34, Norway, like other Scandinavians are not stupid and they know exactly what is going on, but regrettably, it is suffering the same original holocaust sin for a few wrong moves it made with some of its few Jews during WW II and like Germany, will be paying Israel for it for ever and ever.

If it wouldn't have been for Norway, there's a good possibility that Israel would not have had a running nuclear plant and nuclear weapons. Norway illegally sent heavy water to Israel on 2 occasions through some shady dealings with the Germans. It's another case of broken promises by the conniving Israelis. Here's a bit on it for those that are interested and the link at the bottom is to the full very dramatic article:


Norway's Heavy Water Scandals

by Gary Milhollin

Aftenposten (Oslo)
September 14, 1988

This autumn, Norway faces three heavy water scandals. Israel is running the Dimona reactor--which the CIA says is making plutonium for atomic bombs--by using Norwegian heavy water sold in 1959. India is running its newest series of reactors--also making plutonium for atomic bombs--by using Norwegian heavy water diverted by a German firm in 1983. And Romania seems to have secretly and illegally reexported--probably to India or Israel--the Norwegian heavy water it bought in 1986. The German and Romanian diversions were revealed in May, and the talks with Israel about Dimona have just ended.

All the importers have broken their word. Israel pledged to use Norway's water for peaceful purposes, and to allow on-site inspection. But Israel refuses any inspection, so Norway cannot find out what its heavy water was used for. Germany gave one of its firms a certificate promising to import the water to Germany and not divert it elsewhere, but after Norway shipped the water on the faith of the certificate, the firm diverted the water to India. Germany says it can't investigate because the water didn't reach German borders. Romania promised not to reexport Norway's water without permission, but won't say--after being asked--where the water is. Norway may have been naive in these matters, but the importers are in open breach of their agreements.

It is time for Norway to stand up for its rights, and put the blame for these scandals where it belongs.

Israel hopes to escape its obligation through a "compromise." Israel admits running the Dimona reactor with Norway's heavy water since 1963 and admits that the reactor has made plutonium. There is enough plutonium by now in Dimona's spent fuel for more than one hundred atomic bombs. Norway has the right to verify that the plutonium made with its water has not gone into bombs, but Israel is only offering to let Norway inspect nine tons of heavy water in drums outside the reactor. The nine tons are what Israel claims are left of the 20 tons imported in 1959 and one ton imported in 1970.


Full story:
http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/editorials/1988/heavywaterscandals.htm

Posted by: www | Jun 13, 2012 6:35:14 PM | 48

Brian #34, Norway, like other Scandinavians are not stupid and they know exactly what is going on, but regrettably, it is suffering the same original holocaust sin for a few wrong moves it made with some of its few Jews during WW II and like Germany, will be paying Israel for it for ever and ever.'
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i doubt it...ive heard enough of this 'holocaust sin' to doubt it is that controlling...what we have are ties between political parties...no nneed to invoke zionism every time.

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 7:10:13 PM | 49

The "international community" seems to have placed its bets on the Saudi/Qatari/Wahhabi nexus to deliver the oil and gas. After all, it has worked in Saudi Arabia for 70 years. So why wouldn't it work until the oil and gas are depleted?

What's not clear is whether the Wahhabi genie can be put back into the bottle now that it's out on the street. Who will tell the demonstrators that their services are no longer needed and that they should simply take orders from King Abdullah, Emir bin Khalifa Al Thani and their lackeys else face the threat of assassination by American drones.

Replacement of the Assad thugs with Saudi/Qatari/American thugs should make ordinary Syrians really happy!

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 13, 2012 7:31:36 PM | 50

'b' said above: "Rebel groups will have huge difficulties to survive a real onslaught by the united Syrian army." Here's a little bit of video evidence in support of that.

The defecting Colonel Qasem Saad Al-Din had a rank in the Syrian military as high as any other military defector so far. In the following 3-minute video dated 11 Jun 2012 we see rebels fighting in Al-Rastan under his leadership. Great organizational ineptitude is on display, with this commander Qasem Saad Al-Din in a soldier's uniform standing there directing the proceedings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHexQTtwfmM

Their ability to maintain a fight in Al-Rastan is enabled by the Annan agreement, which prevents a real onslaught by the Syrian army.

This Colonel's formal declaration of defection, dated 3 Feb 2012, is in Arabic at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZBeQYi2y0s , where it's to be noted that he was in the Syrian Air Force. And so, you couldn't expect him to have expertise in organizing guerillas fighting on town streets. But I think you yourself could do a better job of organizing the fight than this Colonel appears to be doing in the above video. On this board a couple of weeks ago it was noted that this Colonel said that he and his followers in Al-Rastan are not subordinate to the FSA command of the earlier-defected Colonel Riad Asaad. That cannot be because the Al-Rastan group has supreme confidence in their own organizational and managerial abilities.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 13, 2012 7:58:02 PM | 51

we never see defecting militaries organising uprising in the following countries..why not?
US France UK Germany Italy saudi arabia israel jordan canada australia

we HAVE seen it so far in Libya syria venezuela iran....

Posted by: brian | Jun 13, 2012 10:17:37 PM | 52

how where would 'peaceful protestors' get antitank artillery and how would they know how to use it??? who would provide such people with arms that can then disappear to reappear in some other 'peaceful protest' arena!

isnt the idea to keep such weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists?

oh and im still keen to know why all these islamic fighters dont go fight for the palestinians in israel? its not very far away...yet their claim to be concerned for the palestinians hasnt been turned into actual action... why not?

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 12:07:29 AM | 53

GREAT point.
The jihadis have a free & open corridor onto the Golan and down a short bluff to the first settlements. What about the hypocrite jihadis' rants about Islam and kufirs occupying Muslim Lands? Why arent they liberating the site of Layalat Al Qudr in Quds???? Instead these apostate wahabis are violating a central tenet of Muhammad, and attacking other Muslims. They are also paving the way for the zionists' ultimate "Nile to the Euphrates" land grab, once all the Arab states this roving "jihad" mob helps to break up, have been balkanized. Zionist mercs operationally and blaspheming kufirs doctrinally.

Posted by: JL. | Jun 14, 2012 2:21:11 AM | 54

@brian

oh and I'm still keen to know why all these islamic fighters dont go fight for the palestinians in israel?
the real, immediate enemies of any fundamentalist / ideologist are the rival, "impure" or "watered-down" believers

Posted by: claudio | Jun 14, 2012 2:30:09 AM | 55

Syria 24 English
36 minutes ago
#Syria - DAMASCUS COUNTRYSIDE, (SANA)- Fourteen people were injured Thursday morning when a booby-trapped car exploded at a garage for buses and cars near Imam al-Sadr Hospital in al-Sayeda Zainab near Damascus.

A source at Damascus Countryside Police Department told SANA reporter that a suicide bomber was driving the booby-trapped car who blew himself up in an open garage injuring 14 persons and causing great material damage at and nearby the place of the explosion.

The Terrorist's FSA Claimed Responsibility For This Terror Attack

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 6:27:15 AM | 56

claudio @55

yes..BUT why havent the fundies EVER gone to fight in israel? and why now go to syria? you wil find that this is not just any whim by the jihadis...this is planned but by whom?

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 6:29:38 AM | 57

The competent Authorities today foiled two infiltration attempts by armed terrorist groups from the Lebanese lands into Syria at al-Arida and al-Armouta towns in Homs countryside.

A source in Homs told SANA reporter that the authorities clashed with the armed groups, killing a number of gunmen and wounding others while several of them fled back to the Lebanese lands.

Authorities discover a warehouse for manufacturing explosives while storming one of the terrorists’ dens in Hama

Competent authorities in Hama discovered today a warehouse for manufacturing explosives while storming one of the terrorists’ dens.

A source in Hama told SANA reporter that the authorities confiscated ammunitions, explosives, and a number of communication sets.

The authorities said that released citizen Muss’if Omar al-Tatan who was abducted several days ago by the armed terrorist groups.
http://counterpsyops.com/2012/06/13/breaking-authorities-foil-infiltration-attempts-by-terrorists-from-lebanon-into-syria/

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 6:58:19 AM | 58

>>>yes..BUT why havent the fundies EVER gone to fight in israel? and why now go to syria? you wil find that this is not just any whim by the jihadis...this is planned but by whom?>>>


Why don't you phone or write SANA and ask? An answer by any other party would be futile, so save yourself some time and go straight to the fountainhead of truth, SANA. If you think there is some conspiracy involved, write to Meyssan.

Posted by: www | Jun 14, 2012 8:10:15 AM | 59

The Israelis run a tight operation, no chance for a bunch of jihadis to cross that border alive. You got to look like a jew to pull off a stunt in Israel.

Posted by: Alexander | Jun 14, 2012 8:41:42 AM | 60

Posted by: www | Jun 14, 2012 8:10:15 AM | 59


i did think of writing to WWW but then i realised he is ignorant of events in syria

As for Alex @ 60
sorry but if jihadis can enter syria they can enter Israel

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 9:14:11 AM | 61

JohnH @ 50 & brian @ 53: Both great points! Leading one to believe these "uprisings" are planned and funded by outside forces, not coming from the "grassroots", but "astro-turf" in nature.

Posted by: ben | Jun 14, 2012 9:35:34 AM | 62

>>> The jihadis have a free & open corridor onto the Golan and down a short bluff to the first settlements. >>>


Not that free and not that open either, JL and Alexander, apart from a mini war in 73 that got back part of the Golan to Syria, surprisingly, hardly a shot was fired in the direction of the occupying Israelis in the last 45 years. The number of Golan refugees and their descendants now living inside Syria is 400,000. Meanwhile Israel is exploiting it fully as if it always owned it with vineyards that supply over 1/4 of Israel's wineries, campgrounds, parks, mineral water bottling plants that are exporting to Europe and a couple of weeks back, we read that new highways are being built on it to encourage tourism. About 25% of the fresh water consumed in Israel originates and is stolen from the Golan, while 40% is stolen from the occupied West Bank. Oddly, for the past 4 or 5 years, Syria has been buying from from its arch-enemy Israel (via the Red Cross) apples grown on the Golan on the pretext that it helps the Syrian Druze farmers that remained on the Golan find jobs on the orchards. The last apples purchase by Syria before the 2011 May Nakba conflict erupted on the Golan was for 20,000 tons. So there was an unknown understanding of some sort between Syria and Israel about the Golan and it could be why it has remained so quiet all these years and the Jihadists have kept away or been kept away. But Brian isn't concerned about the Golan as much as he is about liberating Palestine; probably considers it part of Israel.

Posted by: www | Jun 14, 2012 9:37:29 AM | 63

www #63
the Syrian army is no match for the israeli army this is why the Golan
front was quiet not some sort of arrangement.
when they had a chance (73) they went for it and no it was not a mini
war, Moshe dayan had a nervous breakdown as the syrian army reached the sea of Galilee
and had to deal with the Israelis for about a week alone and were pushed back.

Assad senior new that he was no match for Israel alone that is why
he did his best for several hours to convince Sadat not to go to Jerusalem.
not sure if you missed these facts or you are being purposely deceitful

Posted by: erraticideas | Jun 14, 2012 11:17:55 AM | 64

>>>not sure if you missed these facts or you are being purposely deceitful>>>

I'm not Israeli, erraticideas, that should tell you where I stand on deceit. Did you think that you'd see the whole of the Yom Kippur war encapsulated in my 12-line post? I didn't go into the Samson Option threat or into the coerced American airlift either.

Posted by: www | Jun 14, 2012 12:03:59 PM | 65

'You got to look like a jew to pull off a stunt in Israel.'

all semites look alike! if jews can pass as arabs (Lavon Affair) then vice versa!

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 5:56:36 PM | 66

Posted by: brian | Jun 14, 2012 6:29:38 AM | 57
yes..BUT why havent the fundies EVER gone to fight in israel? and why now go to syria? you wil find that this is not just any whim by the jihadis...this is planned but by whom?"

it is a zionist scheme from the word Go! or should I say Shoot! they sit as the only safe country in a ripped up M.E. while all of their worst enemies tear each other to pieces- without IDF having to fire a bullet (at least overtly). like they con the dumb americans into paying for all of it and shedding american blood. (while american jews go off to fight in IDF, not US army. returning to US, they then infiltrate into the top commanding positions like Rahm Emanuel).
on the muslim side? if arabs are loon enough to volunteer to sacrifice themselves for zionist enemy's cause? not much can be done to stop them. there is no compulsory islamic draft registration. just idiot lemmings rushing over the cliff.
the waste and stupdity are appalling.


Posted by: JL. | Jun 14, 2012 9:36:02 PM | 67

#64: Assad senior new that he was no match for Israel alone that is why
he did his best for several hours to convince Sadat not to go to Jerusalem. not sure if you missed these facts or you are being purposely deceitful

Patrick Seale says Sadat betrayed Hafez. His account is very detailed and is supported by other historians. it was Sadat, due to his secret sellout to Israel, who refused to send his unhindered columns forward across the sinai, despite Hafez's demands that he stick to agreement. Russian diplomatic archives post-Berlin Wall had them verifying Sadat's lying deeds. as far as the tank battle where the syrians so valiantly held off the IDF (and would have defeated them, by some accounts)? where the syrians just 'mysteriously' folded up tent and turned tail- which has baffled historians since? Van Crevald revealed in a 2005 book that Israel had threatened Hafez to nuke damascus.

Posted by: JL. | Jun 14, 2012 9:48:23 PM | 68

#68
this is exactly what i said. refers to my post and i quote "the syrian army reached the sea of Galilee
and had to deal with the Israelis for about a week ALONE and were pushed back."
as for the mysterious fold up of the syrian army i know nothing about that.

Posted by: erraticideas | Jun 14, 2012 10:40:27 PM | 69

#64 That is not what you said. Here is your quote-
"Assad senior new that he was no match for Israel alone that is why he did his best for several hours to convince Sadat not to go to Jerusalem."

Assad did not do "his best for several hours to convince Sadat not to go to Jerusalem." In fact he repeatedly demanded Sadat honor the agreed war plan and drive on towards Jerusalem, esp since Egypt was meeting very low resistance from IDF at that point in the Sinai. It also would have diverted IDF back to the south, taking pressure off Golan.
Please clarify re Jerusalem? Thanks


Posted by: JL. | Jun 14, 2012 11:37:49 PM | 70

where is the revolution on saudi arabia?

WILL US and EU back this regime change?

Newly-established opposition group says Al Saud must abandon power

A newly established opposition group has declared its existence in Saudi Arabia, calling for a peaceful power transition from the Western-backed Saudi rulers in the Persian Gulf nation.

The Faithful Brothers for the Liberation of Hijaz made the announcement in a statement posted on Arabi Press website on Thursday, Al-Manar Arabic channel reported.

The group, which says to have started its covert activity four months ago, looms as another threat to the monarchy in the Arab kingdom, where the popular drive for political reform is gaining momentum.

The group explained they have risen to support the right of the Hijaz people to decide their fate and to be represented in their Islamic country, demanding that the authorities fairly distribute the country’s wealth among people.

It further described the ruling regime of Saudi Arabia as the “head of hypocrisy in our Islamic world,” and stated that the real point of change is when the ruling Al Saud family are ousted from power.

“Since our movement is Islamic and aims to achieve change, the real point of change is through Al Saud’s abandonment of power, handing over the authority to Muslim people, and getting rid of miscreants in Hijaz,” the statement read.

Hijaz is a region in the west of today Saudi Arabia. Its main city is Jeddah, but it is more significant for including the holy Muslim cities of Mecca and Medina.

In 1916, Emir of Mecca Sharif Hussein bin Ali proclaimed himself king of an independent Hijaz following the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire after World War I.

In 1924, however, Bin Ali's authority was usurped by the Al Saud family who ruled the neighboring region of Nejd.

They annexed the territory into what became known as the Kingdom of Hijaz and Nejd and later the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/246208.html

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 12:14:15 AM | 71

This campaign has appeared in Amnestys Facebook sites.

http://www.syrianews.cc/amnesty-international-lies-on-syria-campaign-796.html
Iraq, Libya, Syria: Amnesty International and the useful human rights.
As the Western propaganda machine proudly has announced, the British lies-organization Amnesty International (ai) will continue its campaign “Lies on Syria” under the title “Eyes on Syria”.
The Pack of Lies against Syria is further maintained by the notorious war-propagandist Donatella Rovera from Amnesty International (ai). But meanwhile, Amnesty International has waived on a very noticeable corrections of the last lies that were spread by this not really independent organization.
Thus, for example, one is still able to read the following lie about the Feltman-massacre under the title “UN Swift action needed on Syria after Houla assault” on a promoted area of the website of Amnesty International (ai):
etc

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 12:32:03 AM | 72

#70 these are two different time frames
1) the war was in 73 when the syrian army fought for a week alone and was pushed back to sasaa after reaching the
sea of galilee
2) Sadat trip was in 77, that is when asad tried to convince him not to go.

my original post was in reply to a claim that the Golan was quiet because of some collusion between the two sides.
My point was that this is not true, it is quiet because the syrian army cannot handle the israeli army alone.

Posted by: erraticideas | Jun 15, 2012 3:27:32 AM | 73

rank ingratitude; palestinian solidarity betrays syria:
Last night Palestine Place in London hosted a one-sided anti-Assad propaganda festival.
'Palestine Place Bars Prominent Pro-Palestine Activist, Backs Foreign Insurrection in Syria
On June 13, 2012, Palestine Place hosted a talk on the subject of Syria. Several guests were invited to speak – all of whom were anti-Assad and pro-’revolution’. Without exception, all of the speakers represented the viewpoint of the corrupt Gulf dictatorships, the USA and Israel, who are jointly seeking the dissolution of all bastions of Arab resistance to Zionism and Western neocolonialism.

Shortly before the talk, I witnessed Ken O’Keefe being asked to leave the premises by organisers who cited a ‘group decision’ that had been made. Hypocritically, not one of the attendees to the talk was consulted about this decision – the decision was made by Palestine Place’s organisers and had no ‘grassroots’ input whatsoever.

After Ken had left the premises the talks continued and the speakers dictated their opinion to the almost exclusively young (18-23) and impressionable crowd. One after another the anti-Assad guests expounded their mythical idea that the ‘revolution’ in Syria was at all indigenous, as opposed to being a foreign-led insurrection, which is now a clearly established reality.

...
\etc
http://empirestrikesblack.com/2012/06/the-palestine-solidarity-movement-a-recipe-for-kosher-anti-zionism/

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 3:51:46 AM | 74

Erraticideas, your point was that I was being intentionally deceitful; you surely know that there is enough shit committed by Israel that it's not necessary to make any up about it. Of course the Syrian army cannot handle Israel's forces alone, that's not rocket science but there was nothing preventing it from having a resistance of some kind as the Lebanese had with Hezbollah that succeeded against Israel inspite of the odds and the difference in strength. Contrast Hezbollah people fighting to clear their land from the riff raff and Syria buying apples from them, there has to be something behind that.

Posted by: www | Jun 15, 2012 4:34:10 AM | 75

Syrian Islamist opposition casts out Christians

June 14, 2012

The Christian minority in Syria is facing a growing threat and thousands are being forced to flee their homes as they face harassment and discrimination from radial Islamist factions of the opposition.

At least 9,000 Christians from the western Syrian city of Qusayr were forced to seek refuge after an ultimatum from a local military chief of the armed opposition, Abdel Salam Harba, Fides news agency reports.

In the latest outburst of violence a Christian man was shot dead by a sniper in Qusayr, which neighbors the restive city of Homs.

There have been reports last week that some mosques in the city have announced from the minarets: "Christians must leave Qusayr within six days, which expires this Friday."
Two Catholic priests who fled Qusayr confirmed to the news agency that they heard the ultimatum "with their own ears" repeated from the minarets.

"...
http://www.rt.com/news/syria-christians-exodus-opposition-778/

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 4:40:36 AM | 76

Brian, between SANA and Russian TV, you're very well versed on what's happening in Syria. There's also PRESS TV that has lots of good stuff too.

Posted by: www | Jun 15, 2012 4:48:32 AM | 77

also Syrian news CC

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 7:07:16 AM | 78

News About Syria - English shared Syria 24 English's status.
5 hours ago
#Syria #RealSyria #Damascus - DAMASCUS, (SANA)-The competent authorities on Thursday arrested terrorist Mohammad Houssam al-Sadaki, from al-Qaeda- Jabhat al-Nasra- who was planning to blow himself up inside al-Rifae mosque in Damascus during Friday prayers.

Al-Sadaki confessed that there are other persons supposed to explode themselves in a number of Damascus mosques today during Friday prayers.

In statements, to be broadcasted in full by Syrian Satellite T.V. this evening, the terrorist al-Sadaki admitted that he met three persons inside a house at al-Tadamin Quarter in Damascus and was given an explosive vest as to explode himself inside al-Rifae Mosque during today's Friday noon Prayers when the Mosques are usually very crowded.

al-Sadaki added that has was assured that the persons involved would care about his family. Declaring that the members of the terrorist group have prepared a number of very young persons in more than a quarter in Damascus to explode themselves inside the Mosques of Damascus during Friday's Prayers.

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 7:08:11 AM | 79

www. first deceitful was a strong word. i retract it. I also concede your point that
they could have had some form of resistance but i believe resistance cannot be started
from "above" it has to start with the people. I don't have enough information about the situation in
the Golan so this could be not very accurate.

Posted by: erraticideas | Jun 15, 2012 10:00:58 AM | 80

Another tidbit from Syria:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/9785-syrian-rebels-now-using-efps-in-bombs-bane-of-us-in-iraq

Posted by: ben | Jun 15, 2012 10:38:43 AM | 81

Posted by: brian | Jun 15, 2012 3:51:46 AM | 74

Thats why the west made this a youth revolution, their inexperience and ignorance are highly exploitable. the palestinians stabbed syria in the back quite early on when khaled meschaal abandoned ship. the PLO- who are are Israels mercs- accused syria of crimes against humanity last summer already. the idf's final transfer will not longer get a peep of protest out of me. despicable.

Posted by: JL. | Jun 15, 2012 6:22:06 PM | 82

From Agence France-Presse, 15 Jun 2012: In an opinion poll in Turkey sponsored by an Istanbul-based Center for Economic and Foreign Policy Studies ("EDAM"), and conducted between May 5 and June 5 among a representative sample of 1,500 people across the country, 57% said they were against Turkey intervening in Syria, while 12% said they were in favour of a military confrontation with the Damascus government. Among those who opposed military intervention, the great majority said Turkey should not interfere in Syria in any way at all, while the remainder said they supported the Turkish government's current policies toward Syria. Among those who said they were supporters of the ruling AKP political party, the majority said they were opposed to interference in Syria's affairs. AFP @ http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/43570-poll-turks-oppose-direct-intervention-in-syria . The original report on the poll in the Turkish language is at EDAM.ORG.TR and specifically at http://edam.org.tr/document/Edam2012Anket2.pdf

You should take this as another ground for not believing the rumours that the Turkish government is secretly helping to arm the Syrian rebels. Don't forget it would be a violation of Turkish law.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 16, 2012 6:58:14 PM | 83

I just found that Turkish opinion poll report in the English language at EDAM.ORG.TR : http://www.edam.org.tr/document/Edam2012Survey2.pdf

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 16, 2012 7:08:56 PM | 84

In addition to the Turkish public opinion poll just mentioned, the EDAM organization carried out a survey among Turkey’s foreign policy expert community with the participation of 200 opinion makers. 200 "experts" is a lot you know. 67.5 % of the experts stated their preference for the continuation of political and diplomatic initiatives. 21 % supported the option of non-interference of any kind (no sanctions, etc.). Thus, in total, anti-military-interventionist preferences were stated by 88.5 % of the expert participants. 6.5 % of the expert community supported the option of establishing safe haven zones within Syria under the protection of Turkish troops, 3.5 % supported arming the Syrian rebels, and 1.5 % supported the option of a full military attack against the Assad government. http://www.edam.org.tr/document/Edam2012Survey2.pdf

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 16, 2012 7:22:17 PM | 85

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 16, 2012 6:58:14 PM | 83

nice when turkey becomes a democracy!

and yes Turkey is aiding arming and acting as a safe haven for the insurgency...why keep denying it?

Posted by: brian | Jun 16, 2012 10:45:47 PM | 86

You should take this as another ground for not believing the rumours that the Turkish government is secretly helping to arm the Syrian rebels. Don't forget it would be a violation of Turkish law.
Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 16, 2012 6:58:14 PM | 83

being in power means you can violate the law..especially if noone opposes you doing it

Posted by: brian | Jun 16, 2012 10:46:46 PM | 87

Turkey meddling in Syria serves Israel, US interests: Turkish MP

June 16, 2012

The deputy chairman of the Turkish Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) says Turkey’s interference in the internal affairs of Syria serves the interests of the United States and Israel.

Oktay Vural said in a press conference in Ankara on June 14 that Turkey’s interference in Syria is aimed at ensuring the security of Israel.

Vural also stated that Washington is seeking to get Turkey engaged in the Syrian turmoil that began in March 2011.

The Turkish lawmaker also warned against a foreign plot to disintegrate Turkey by inciting “ethnic division” in the country.

The comments came several days after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan censured the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over its approach to reforms in the Arab country.

“I have not seen him (Assad) approach reforms with a democratic understanding,” Erdogan told reporters in Ankara on June 3.

The Turkish prime minister also stated that President Assad is taking “an autocratic approach” to the issues inside Syria.

Erdogan made the remarks on the same day when Assad said in a televised address to the parliament that Syria is “facing a war from abroad.”

Turkey has also expressed its support for arming the rebels fighting against the Syrian government over the past months.

On March 4, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the “international community’s message might be conveyed to the Syrian administration via certain methods including the arming of the (so-called) Syrian National Council (SNC).”

The Syrian president said the country was also “facing attempts to weaken Syria [and] breach its sovereignty.”

“Standing up against the conspiracy is not easy, but we will overcome the obstacles,” Assad stated.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/16/246523/turkey-interferes-in-syria-for-israel/

Posted by: brian | Jun 16, 2012 11:14:15 PM | 88

Just a sincere word of thanks to all of you commenters who are out there digging for information and presenting it here. I've been very busy with RL (real life) and so appreciate your contributions on these topics which are barely covered and then only in very slanted ways.

Posted by: jawbone | Jun 16, 2012 11:48:48 PM | 89

more on Turkey as entry site for the jihadis into syria:
‎'For its part, El Pais assured that authorities are investigating how they were recruited, who paid for their trip, which route they followed and whether they coordinated with young Moroccans from Castillejos and Tetouan from which at least a dozen would-be jihadists also departed. It also added that all apparently travelled through the eastern provinces of Turkey, where the militia of the so-called Syrian Free Army (ESL) have a wide margin in which to maneuver.'
http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=516596&Itemid=1

Posted by: brian | Jun 17, 2012 3:34:39 AM | 90

>>> I don't have enough information about the situation in the Golan so this could be not very accurate.>>>

Erraticideas #80, you're not alone, not many have information about the Golan; Israel and Syria aren't keen on the truth. I was pointing out that the Syrian regime in spite of the vicious lies being currently fabricated about it, it hasn't always been as pure as some here are painting it. The civil war didn't start from the Saudis and Qataris throwing money into it either. You need more than money to start a revolution or a civil war.

Posted by: www | Jun 17, 2012 4:29:32 AM | 91

The civil war didn't start from the Saudis and Qataris throwing money into it either. You need more than money to start a revolution or a civil war.

Posted by: www | Jun 17, 2012 4:29:32 AM | 91

what civil war? theres no civl war...there is an armed insurgency of mostly foreign make.

Posted by: brian | Jun 17, 2012 4:45:10 AM | 92

Why are the last nazi war criminals hiding in Syria? Ohlig & Puim show Islamic extremism came from Syriac monophysates, products of Chrysustolm trying to consummate the Channukah crimes of his Seleucid forefathers. ("Questioning is the subversion of faith" Homily I on I Timothy I- Such was the dark mind that led Justinian to abolish the universities and Olympics and bring on the palgues.) Nesselrode sent Porphy Uspensky to de-Hellenize the Antiochians which led to Michel Aflaq founding the Nazi Ba'ath party which is why Putin hid Saddam's WMD in Syria! The Ochrafux church is a war criminal organization which must be prosecuted!

Posted by: George Kender Comney | Jun 21, 2012 12:46:49 PM | 93

>>> Why are the last nazi war criminals hiding in Syria? >>>

George, the name in English of the one you are doing a poor job of disparaging is St John Chrysostom (died 407 AD), one of the 4 doctors of the church, a venerated saint to both Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox. Contrary to what you said, St John Chrysostom was against Monophysitism.

As to your history on the founding of the Baath socialist party, the following Wiki description is a bit more accurate:

"The Ba'ath Party was founded in 7 April 1947 by Michel Aflaq (a Christian), Salah al-Din al-Bitar (a Sunni muslim) and Zaki al-Arsuzi (an Alawite). It was a merger of the Arab Ba'ath, founded and led by al-Arsuzi, and the Arab Ba'ath Movement, led by Aflaq and al-Bitar. The party initially worked as a vehicle for the national liberation movement against French rule of Syria and Lebanon. The Ba'ath Party established itself as a critic of what they considered to be the ideological inefficiencies of old Syrian nationalism. Pan-Arabism became popular among Arabs after World War II. Aflaq, the father of ba'athist ideology and a Christian, drew heavily from Islam and its values. For example, he wrote that the time of Muhammed represented the ideal Arab community, and claimed the Arabs had "fallen" under the rule of the Ottomans and the Europeans. The name Ba'ath and the party's programme called for Arab restoration through modernisation. The most important influence which Alfaq and al-Bitar brought back from Europe was socialism, albeit a unique socialism with Arab characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party#Founding_and_early_years

Posted by: www | Jun 21, 2012 1:59:32 PM | 94

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