May 24, 2012
Demonstrators attack Jewish migrants in south Berlin
Nat.Soc. MR describes Jews as cancer; government prepares for mass deportation
Some 1,000 protesters rallied in Berlin's Neukölln neighborhood on Wednesday and called for the ousting of Jewish migrants from Germany.
Demonstrators attacked Jewish passersby while others lit garbage cans on fire and smashed car windows.
Another group of demonstrators stopped a shuttle taxi and searched for Jewish migrants among the passengers, while banging on the windows.
The crowd cried "The people want the Jews deported" and "Infiltrators get out of our home."
Nationalsocialist Member of the Reichstag Hans Weigel participated in the protest and said that "the Jews were a cancer in our body."
Germans attack Jewish migrants during protest against refugees
Seventeen arrested after protesters go on 'unbridled rampage' targeting Jewish workers and looting shops serving refugees
A reporter for the German daily Tagesspiegel described it as an "unbridled rampage" and explosion of "pent-up rage".
"Suddenly one of [the protesters] noticed that in one of the cars waiting for traffic to move were two young darker-skinned men, apparently Jewish workers. For the hundreds of inflamed and enraged young people, that was all they needed. Within minutes, they dismantled – there is no other word to describe it – the car and its passengers. Some of them smashed the windows with their hands and rocks, others kicked the car, bent the plastic parts and tried to attack the people inside. 'I'm not a Jew, I'm not a Jew,' the driver tried to tell the assailants, but nobody was listening at that stage."
The protest followed a claim on Sunday by the prime minister, Bruno Neumann, that "illegal infiltrators [were] flooding the country" and threatening the security and identity of the German state. "This phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity," he said.
The government is constructing a fence along the German-Polish border to deter migrants and asylum-seekers, and is building what will be the world's biggest concentration camp, capable of holding up to 11,000 people.
It is urgent time for the dismantling of that Herrenmenschen state.
Posted by b on May 24, 2012 at 01:23 PM | Permalink
You really had me alarmed there for a minute, i live in Neukoelln, and tomorrow is the beginning of the World Cultures carnival.
Posted by: novoline | May 24, 2012 1:39:35 PM | 1
Can you provide the links for the original news pieces from the 1930's if they are on the web? (English translation site if possible :) ).
Posted by: Khalid | May 24, 2012 1:49:07 PM | 2
on the democratic party blogs and websites of years past there was always the acronym IOKIYAR (it's ok if you are republican) because of the double standard the republicans would unabashedly apply to everyone who was not in their party. In this case I guess the acronym IOKIYAJ works.
B you really need to get past the guilt. I know that another poster accused you of being a Nazi in a previous thread which I find quite despicable. Especially since the example of Fallujah that I gave was a very recent and well documented episode of laying siege to city and Germans had nothing at all to do with it.
but your point is well taken. were it only possible for the people doing this ugly stuff to see themselves in the mirror. I guess this is what happens when you start believing your own hype.
Posted by: dan of steele | May 24, 2012 1:54:21 PM | 3
A bulldozer is the only difference between a settler and a infiltrator.
Posted by: Biklett | May 24, 2012 2:18:41 PM | 4
National-socialism (nazism) is alive and well, and it's home is Israel.
Posted by: Alexander | May 24, 2012 2:27:38 PM | 5
@dan of steele - it is not about guilt. I do not have any except living with a demand of non-renewable energy that is above the world average (I do have a car which I seldom use).
The mindset the Zionists have is not unrelated to the mindset the Nazis had. And the Zionist were much earlier with that. The Nazis were for a great part an echo to the times they lived in. Eugenics, often used as an argument against them, was then the scientific rage in the U.S. and UK. The Herrenrasse syndrome was an echo of the master race illusion in the southern U.S.
I am often astonished how -out-of-historical-context- the Nazis are now depicted. When one reads up history they seem to have been very much in the fold of the general movements of their time.
If they only hadn't wished to unite the German speaking people ...?
Posted by: b | May 24, 2012 2:54:12 PM | 6
I think you meant "Some 1,000 protesters rallied in Berlin's Neukölln neighborhood on Wednesday and called for the ousting of Jewish migrants from Poland." (Your text says "Germany" in stead of Poland)
Posted by: Utpal | May 24, 2012 3:18:27 PM | 7
based on a couple of comments here, you really need a snark tag.
Posted by: dan of steele | May 24, 2012 3:21:14 PM | 8
And readers really need to at least check the links.
All will become clear!
Posted by: jawbone | May 24, 2012 4:24:24 PM | 9
have been very much in the fold of the general movements of their time.
oh for fuck's sake. So, you just can't resist shoehorning America as an influence on the rise of German Nazism? You are an asshole, sometimes. Getting worse.
There are a bunch of authors, including Ian Kershaw, who have written scads about the shockingly vitriolic and widely popularized anti-Semitic writings of Germans during the 19th century. Yes, Jew haters have always been around. But, there's something special about good old homegrown German anti-Semitism.
Posted by: slothrop | May 24, 2012 4:39:49 PM | 10
and, yes, by the way, I understand the joke here. I'm responding explicitly to b's bullshit response above.
Posted by: slothrop | May 24, 2012 4:41:45 PM | 11
Why is it that jews push for diversity and multiculturalism in every nation on Earth except for their own?
Posted by: Kanzanian | May 24, 2012 4:55:00 PM | 12
actually, the book is Fritz Stern The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study in the Rise of the Germanic Ideology
Posted by: slothrop | May 24, 2012 5:00:32 PM | 13
There are a bunch of authors, including Ian Kershaw, who have written scads about the shockingly vitriolic and widely popularized anti-Semitic writings of Germans during the 19th century.
yep, scientific rage b referenced began around 1860 after darwin's origin of the species was published. and it wasn't limited to US/UK and germany, many russian scientists too as i recall.
Posted by: annie | May 24, 2012 5:09:09 PM | 14
What was known as Social "Darwinism" was pioneered by Spencer, an American sociologist (it was he who coined the phrase 'survival of the fittest'). Charles himself never endorsed social Darwinism. The eugenics movement followed after the discovery of Mendelian genetics. This movement was pioneered by American scientists especially the group at Cold Spring Harbor early in the 20th century. In the US eugenics started to lose its steam in the early 20s but was eagerly taken up in Germany. So yes, American science was responsible for much racist ideology.
Posted by: ToivoS | May 24, 2012 5:27:34 PM | 15
I find the "fake" posts refreshing... they keep me on guard... (it is good to have to use common sense from time to time, rather than trusting what ever news you get)
thus I wan't to say thanks!
at the end fascism comes and goes just like war, homophobia, debt crises etc.
the only thing that is going to stay, is corruption!
Posted by: simon | May 24, 2012 5:29:47 PM | 16
Bad lessons Zionists learned from Nazis' mistakes--
1) You can systematically commit genocide, as long as the victims are not considered part of Western civilization. (Hitler didn't realize that Jews were about to be considered "white.")
2) The kill off must be gradual, preferably by starvation and deprivation. No blatant, large scale atrocities. Israel has learned that a thousand civilian deaths at a time seems to be the upper limit of what the "civilized world" will tolerate.
3) Key media outlets can easily be cowed to mute criticism. (Before World War II The New York Times downplayed Jewish deaths, fearing that the truth would harm business relations with Nazi Germany.)
4) Court Jews must entrench themselves to neutralize criticism by outside powers. (The Nazis never sufficiently leveraged their relations with US businesses to become part of the fabric of Washington.)
Posted by: JohnH | May 24, 2012 6:10:26 PM | 18
Nazism was horrible. For this very reason it's important to put it in a proper context, so we can try to understand how normal and good-willed people could become, seen from different point of view, savages. The rhetoric about an "absolute, unexplainable evil" is a useless exorcism. Or worse, it become racism in reverse, against some genetic or spiritual defect of the Germans.
Also much criticism of Zionism is of the same kind, and really harbors forms of anti-semitism. Also in this case we must try to understand how a certain mix of idealism and "identity politics" can lead ordinary people to commit or justify atrocities.
But the crux of the matter, the real question we must ask, is how European civilization could manage to produce such lethal spiritual ingredients. This is the only horizon that avoids superficial and poisonous accusations and counter-accusations, that can lead us to the roots of the problem, that can create a new horizon under which delegitimize colonialism, warmongering, suprematism.
Posted by: claudio | May 24, 2012 6:13:07 PM | 19
I have to admit when I read Miri Regev's comment I though to myself: spoken like a true fascist.
She's got a very bright future in Israeli politics; Vice Prime Minister at least, if not Minister for Expulsions Under The Banner of Purity.
Posted by: Johnboy | May 24, 2012 6:41:59 PM | 20
these exercises in "identity exchange" by b are useful tests of the amount of racism that shapes our perceptions and judgements
racism is a good word because it can't easily be redefined by NewSpeak, but really what's at play is identity politics, or "identitarism", which defined world hierarchies using religion (the "real religion") in the XVIth century, skin color since the XVIIth century, adopted the language of science in the XIXth century, became politically correct in the XXth century, and is using wealth and destructive technologies as parameters in this XXIth century; but has always been, at the core, Western suprematism
Posted by: claudio | May 24, 2012 6:55:49 PM | 21
The old dead nazis are spinning in their graves. Der Himmel! Die Chooz got it right. Slow strangulation und protracted chrushing und discreet bleedings, das ist der ticket! Not zis sudden mass slaughtering, gassing and zo on. So mezzy! Ach du lieber! Die Irony, it burnz!
Posted by: ruralito | May 24, 2012 7:35:10 PM | 22
(last post of the series!)
so why does Zionism hold so strong a place in the West's discourse today? why have the Jews been redefined as whites, as someone said? I think it's because Israel, with its Holocaust religion, is the counterpart of the Us: the Victims and the Saviors, the Helpless and the Heroes; the existence of "Absolute Evil" requires a Benevolent Entity to protect us, capable of recognizing its reappearance and strong enough to crush it when necessary;
all the tributes politicians pay to Israel are in reality tributes to the Us' supremacy
this is a mythology that took shape in the 60s, well after Israel's foundation, and Eichmann's trial, described by Hannah Arendt in her famous "Banality of Evil", was one of its building blocks, but most people didn't read it with the correct mind frame
Posted by: claudio | May 24, 2012 7:58:50 PM | 23
"What was known as Social "Darwinism" was pioneered by Spencer, an American sociologist (it was he who coined the phrase 'survival of the fittest')"
Herbert Spencer was British. He was a typical English Liberal of the era, which is to say that he was, indeed, a pathfinder for naziism.
In fact it was TH Huxley, another non-American, who popularised Darwinism as he helped "to found a new religion," as HJ Massingham put it in the best essay on the subject. What Huxley did was to take Darwin and graft him onto the same Hobbesian tree from which the bitter fruit of the Political Economists grows.
As to Israel the governing parties are directly descended from fascist formations and act accordingly. Curiously the recent passage of Netanyahu pere did not involve any reference to the Jabotinskyite fascination with Mussolini, Franco and Hitler.
Unsurprisingly the successors of Irgun and the Stern Gang find massive support in the United States from whose racialist practice- founded in genocides, built by coerced and enslaved labour- modern fascist ideas are largely derived.
Posted by: bevin | May 24, 2012 9:32:11 PM | 24
Jews being redefined as "white" is not unique. Over time, it happened to Irish, Italians, and Eastern Europeans. Since half of babies born in the US are not considered "white," it's probably time for a redefinition, which will turn a lot of Latinos into "whites."
Part of Israel's success was its mastery of propaganda. The brilliance of the propaganda was that it captured major themes of America's heroic mythology.
Israeli hopes and aspirations got associated with America's. America was the "new world" and Israel was the "promised land." America conquered the frontier and Israel "made the desert bloom." Israelis were made to appear as hard working people making an opportunity for themselves, the "can do" spirit of America.
Also, Zionist propaganda made much of shared victim-hood. Like American settlers, Zionists suffered from European religious prosecution--in their case, the holocaust. Elsewhere, emigration of Sephardic Jews was cast as "expulsion," when in reality, emigration often had a lot to do with perceived "opportunities" in Israel.
The propaganda was so successful that lots of people of European origin were made to feel some guilt about Jews killed in the holocaust. By contrast, almost nobody even thinks about gypsies and others killed by the Nazis.
And, of course, like Americans, they never mentioned what happened to those already living on the land. It is like they never existed. Indigenous people never found a place in the heroic myth, except as uncouth savages who deserved to be conquered, humiliated and dispossessed.
Now the propaganda has evolved to conflate the "terrorist threats" to America and to Israel. Osama bin Laden intentionally gets confused with Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein, and Ahmadinejad. Israel and America are to be "joined at the hip" in the common fight against Islamo-fascism.
And the bull shit goes on...
Posted by: JohnH | May 24, 2012 10:19:46 PM | 25
Great post at 25 JohnH. I especially liked this:
"Indigenous people never found a place in the heroic myth, except as uncouth savages who deserved to be conquered, humiliated and dispossessed."
Yes, and the bull shit goes on.
Posted by: ben | May 25, 2012 1:48:28 AM | 26
Well done b ... this article bites, i hope certain people like slothrop are horribly offended :)
"And the germans killed the jews and the jews killed the arabs and the arabs killed the hostages and that is the news."
(Roger Waters - Amused to Death)
Posted by: david | May 25, 2012 3:11:04 AM | 27
Thanks b, for keeping us on our toes, staying alert, and showing how outrageous things really are. If this was happening in Germany, it would cause international outrage, and should even if it's an Israeli problem. It seems the majority of Israelis are brought up in a racist culture, where separatism is the norm, and there is no room for goim in the jewish state.
Posted by: Alexander | May 25, 2012 5:10:21 AM | 28
Such a system of separatism and racism should be dismantled, immediately. It cannot have a future, I don't believe it will survive a restructuring middle-east.
Posted by: Alexander | May 25, 2012 5:14:51 AM | 29
Though, that is part of the problem, the zionists are trying to use the 'arab spring' to their own advantage. But as things settle, and mature, Israels place will be very awkward indeed.
Posted by: Alexander | May 25, 2012 5:21:23 AM | 30
I stand corrected. I thought Herbert Spenser was an American, but he was British. For some reason I thought he was from Yale. In any case the 19th century scientific theories of racism and eugenics originated in Britain and the US.
Posted by: ToivoS | May 25, 2012 5:46:27 AM | 31
I saw plaques in Germany in front of houses that were taken from Jews.
Will the Jews allow plaques in front of houses in Israel that wwre taken from Arabs??
Why bother with history from the first half of the last Century about which we can do nothing . We have a similar story ongoing in Israel / Palestine to day about which we can do something.
The holacost -Palestinian- is happening in front of us. If we allow it we should shut up about the last one. Get over it and move on.!!
Posted by: boindub | May 25, 2012 8:18:07 AM | 32
Damn straight, they should get over themselves, or start treating others like they want others to treat them.
Posted by: Alexander | May 25, 2012 8:40:54 AM | 33
@JohnH, excellent double posting @18 & @25 !
This one is hilarious (thus spoke Monty Python):
(Hitler didn't realize that Jews were about to be considered "white.")
Thanks for the reading, and of course to b for his mastery of mirror news.
Posted by: citizen x | May 25, 2012 10:29:02 AM | 34
A very good post lots to think about. I am strongly tempted to digress about the misuse of terms like Anti-Semitic (Anti-Jewish is the appropriate term considering most semitic people are Muslim and most Jews are NOT semitic) and 'Theory' (the appropriate term hypothesis until overwhelming evidence proves it. Since these hypothesis's were prove wrong they never were theories). But enough digression.
The debate about who idea of superiority, be it racial or otherwise, to me seems very misguided. It presumes that the idea of racial/ethnic cleansing are new. If one looks at history they are quite old. Some 'western' philosopher may have identified them but that does not mean they invented them.
When a report in the Haretz inadvertently mimics a Nazi era news piece with the actors switched, that should make one take a deep breath and pause for reflection. The phrase 'there but for the Grace of God go I' comes to mind. If all we come away with is hatred for Jews/Zionists then we are only setting ourselves (or our later generations) from repeating this mistake. If those who suffered through such ethnic cleansing can just in a generation turn around and do the same then anyone and any group can. The not so distant events in Cambodia and in Rawanda show this can happen anywhere.
It seems this tendency is so deeply embedded in our species that perhaps it is in our genes.
Posted by: Khalid | May 25, 2012 10:39:23 AM | 35
One more comment...Israeli propaganda has reached a new milestone. It used to be that they imitated America's heroic mythology. After 9/11 they adopted the notion of joint victimization.
But the media campaign against Islamo-fascism lost its freshness, so the propagandists created a new narrative.
Now Israel's supposed enemy (Iran) is America's enemy. Note the switch of roles. It used to be that Israel attached itself to American dreams and fears. But now America is supposed to be driven by Israeli hopes and fears. In the future Israel's enemies (and there are a lot of them) will automatically be assumed to be America's.
What are they, nuts? How can they think that Americans would care about the fate of their little twerp of a nation, when their livelihoods are being cut from underneath them by banksters and off-shoring multinationals? How long can it be before the $30+ Billion lavished on this little twerp in the next decade gets put onto the table for discussion of austerity in Washington? Why put Israel's welfare before the education of our kids, social security or healthcare?
The discussion can't begin soon enough. And the sooner Israel's ridiculous propaganda narrative gets exposed, the better.
Posted by: JohnH | May 25, 2012 11:10:22 AM | 36
Hilarious - It is now a prejudice to ask the question "Why are some people prejudiced against Jews?"
Ministers have criticised an exam board after one of its GCSE religious studies papers asked candidates to explain "why some people are prejudiced against Jews".
Education Secretary Michael Gove said to suggest anti-Semitism could ever be explained was "insensitive and, frankly, bizarre."
Exam board AQA said the question did not attempt to justify prejudice.
First reported in the Jewish Chronicle, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews Jon Benjamin told the newspaper: "Clearly this is unacceptable and has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews or Judaism."
But an AQA spokesman said in a statement: "In many exam questions 'explain' is used to mean 'give an account of'.
"For example, in the past we have asked students to explain why some people commit crimes, but we have not intended to suggest that we condone criminal activity.
"The question concerned acknowledges that some people are prejudiced, but we did not intend to imply in any way that prejudice is justified."
It added that it would expect students to refer to the Holocaust and to illustrate prejudice "based on irrational fear, ignorance and scapegoating."
Posted by: b | May 25, 2012 12:18:10 PM | 37
America will die without middle east oil. THIS IS THE KEY.
Israel is the unsinkable battleship and it can be bought.
America needs it so vitally that it will do anything to have it onside
Even supporting Israelli genocide. And Israeli nuclear bombs. And threats to neighbours.
Even at the cost of making a monster of America.
Unsolvable unless America trusts Arab states or Americans get fed up with Israel.Unlikely.
Only Jews will change Israel when pressure is put on Jews . This will happen with time.
Will they understand why people fear and therefore want to see them under control.
Why not rejoin the rest of us now as welcome friends and neighbours.
Posted by: boindub | May 25, 2012 2:03:48 PM | 38
Snarky juxtaposition like this often says far more, and far more effectively, than flat exposition. Another good one, B.
Posted by: Pyrrho | May 25, 2012 4:41:02 PM | 39
It's not a big news as Germany is fully controlled by the Jews and Zionist Christians. The incident could be a Zionist ploy to create the hoax that the so-called "anti-Semitism" is on the rise in Europe from where Jewish communities were expelled 108 times in the past.
Posted by: Rehmat | May 26, 2012 6:49:36 AM | 40
I share for 80% boindubs opinion at 38.
I have posted enough in this direction to now shut up about it: Israel’s wish to survive leading to being an outpost and vanguard , the paid yapping poodle, for US policies, which can then be gingerly and mysteriously laid at Israel’s door, in a creepy, sick, symbiosis, creating at the same time all kinds of distractive storms about Israel lobbies, etc. etc.
The powerful partner is the US, and it encourages, enables, dictates and could shut down the whole deal in 24 hours flat.
> So, apparently I can’t shut up. Sorry.
Anyway all that does not mean that there aren’t internal forces within Israel that push spontaneously - if anything can be considered ‘spontaneous’ in matters of ‘hate’ - - towards Arabs, Palestinians, etc. first of all, but ‘hate’ towards Blacks/Africans/illegal immigrants is also very welcome.
Any ethnic-religious issue that creates division and strife is good. In this case, for the ppl, illegal immigrants ‘of color’ who are perceived by some, many, (afaik, imho) as absolute vermin. Yet many Israelis support for ex. free clinics that take care of the health of these desperate migrant poor, but I suppose they are in a minority? Many in Isr. want forcible expulsion, immediate, and camps and even worse, the whole debate is hyper polarized. More walls, electrified fences, and a huge camp for about 50K ppl, etc.
The issue of these migrants also serves to obscure the Jewish-Isr-Arab-Irs-Palestine etc. matter, by instituting a sort of gradation of prejudice and hate. A black illegal immigrant can be smashed, beaten, while the Arab dishwasher with few or no rights can maybe become a little ‘white’, as not all Arabs can be parked in Gaza, and Isr. to survive needs to have second class citizens it can officially, openly, right in yo face, demean, oppress, treat as third class, imprison for nothing etc.
Posted by: Noirette | May 26, 2012 2:01:54 PM | 41
To ToivoS :
Herbert Spencer was not an American. He was English and this is what Wikipedia says about him: "Herbert Spencer (27 April 1820 – 8 December 1903) was an English philosopher, biologist, sociologist, and prominent classical liberal political theorist of the Victorian era."
His influence in the US was pronounced though.
Posted by: Kerstin | May 26, 2012 8:54:45 PM | 42
Posted by: rachel corrie | May 27, 2012 6:44:48 PM | 43
re boindub's pressurized Jews: Atzmon and Shamir are leading the way by renouncing their meaningless jewdihood and joining the rest of humanity.
Posted by: ruralito | May 27, 2012 8:19:31 PM | 44
Posted by: JohnH | May 24, 2012 6:10:26 PM | 18
Read Carroll Quigley and Eustace Mullins, Anthony Sutton etc.
Communism and Nazism were ZIONIST masonic items- 1000%.
Do some basic google the facts are out there broad and wide.
Posted by: joe m | May 27, 2012 10:38:54 PM | 45
nu-uh joe; lenin was adamantly opposed to Jewish nationalism.
Posted by: ruralito | May 28, 2012 10:57:35 PM | 46