September 29, 2011
More "Ahmedinejad Said" Lies
Every "western" media seems to find this story funny: Give 9/11 credit to us, al-Qaeda tells Ahmadinejad:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has long annoyed the West with his claims that the United States government was behind the 9/11 attacks. But he’s also bruised egos at al-Qaeda, with the terrorist group now telling the Iranian president to stop with the “ridiculous” conspiracy theories and start giving them credit for pulling off such a great terrorist strike.
And every "western" media also gets the story wrong.
Yes, the writers of the Inspire (pdf) magazine claim that Iran has denied 9/11:
The Iranian government has professed on the tongue of its president Ahmadinejad that it does not believe that al Qaeda was behind 9/11 but rather, the U.S. government.
But that is clearly a lie, rather two lies.
Ahmedinejad explicitly claims that it was Osama Bin Laden who organized the 9/11 attacks. He never claimed that the U.S. government was behind it.
What he says is that it is yet unknown, and should be investigated by an international fact-finding team, who was actually behind Bin Laden.
From his latest UN speech (pdf):
Instead of assigning a fact-finding team, they killed the main perpetrator and threw his body into the sea. Would it not have been reasonable to bring to justice and openly bring to trial the main perpetrator of the incident in order to identify the elements behind the safe space for the invading aircraft to attack the twin world trade towers? Why should it not have been allowed to bring him to trial to help recognize those who launched terrorist groups and brought wars and other miseries into the region?
The "main perpetrator" here is clearly al Qaeda leader Bin Laden. And "those" in the last quoted sentence is not pointing at the U.S. government, but to Israel as Ahmedinejad's following sentence about Zionism makes clear.
So the "Al Qaida" magazine Inspire makes false claims about what Ahmedinejad said and all the "western" media repeat it as true even when the public record shows that it is clearly not.
This just reinforces my believe that Inspire is a general disinformation tool of some "western" agency with the additional purpose to flash out some dumb folks who then can be made into "terrorists" though FBI sting operations.
The only reason why the story is funny is that The Onion, by far the best "western" political news magazine, already had it back in 2008: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 'Ridiculous,' Al Qaeda Says
An Al Qaeda representative says that claims the U.S. government was behind the attacks on Sept. 11th are demeaning to Al Qaeda.
Posted by b on September 29, 2011 at 01:11 PM | Permalink
Another good reason that Israel and the US are so hell bent to do in Iran. Ahmadinejad, as a head of state with credibility, is too damn close to the truth. Thus the trivialization (funny).
Posted by: juannie | Sep 29, 2011 7:57:29 PM | 1
I have not read Ahmadinejad's speech, but let us assume he really did say or imply that the USG is behind 9/11. So what? There are a lot of people who believe that. At worst you can say MA is cynically using political jujitsu to take away the US's main talking point and excuse for the so called GWOT. At best you can say M.A. is calling a spade a spade. And thus making it easier for others to do the same.
After all, WTC 7 didn't just collapse by itself.
Posted by: Lysander | Sep 29, 2011 8:26:01 PM | 2
Been a follower of MofA , but first time posting. Regarding this post, the source of "Ahmedinejad Said" lies from the so-called "magazine" Inspire could very well be Rita Katz and SITE. No questions asked with mainstream corporate media. And the sheeple just swallow everything hook line & sinker.
Posted by: easy e | Sep 29, 2011 10:04:37 PM | 3
It might be interesting – based on meta data in the pdf, that Inspire magazine was published 2011:09:18 12:06+03:00 (that is before the UN speech by Dr Ahmedinejad). UTC +3 happens to be the timezone for Israel, there are more countries in that time zone. The document was created on a Mac running OS X 10.6.8 (US-English locale) and InDesign CS 5 all patched up. The author of that document first started working on it on 2011:09:10 16:41:02+03:00.
Posted by: philippe | Sep 29, 2011 11:05:40 PM | 4
I'm with A'jad. We don't know who did 9/11.
We do know that during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan Al CIAda nurtured/armed Al Qaeda. Since then, claims have been made that Al Qaeda was active in Kosovo and Libya on the same side as the people who pay Al CIAda's wages. So I don't see much point in trying to distinguish one from the other.
From a GWOT factoids-on-the-ground point of view, when Al Qaeda isn't standing in for Al CIAda, it's providing excuses for the expansion and/or escalation of the GWOT - and we only ever discover who perpetrated an 'Al Qaeda' attack after its successful completion. That's too cutely convenient for my taste.
With an 'enemy' like Al Qaeda, who needs friends?
On the other hand, with 'friends' like NORAD, who needs enemies? NORAD's primary brief was to protect US air space in the event of foreign attack. But on the first and only occasion such an event occurred, NORAD stayed home. Considering the hugely destructive and disruptive US over-reaction, that was also too cutely convenient for my taste.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 30, 2011 12:21:03 AM | 5
Good catch, Phillipe.
How do you do that?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 30, 2011 12:52:34 AM | 6
4938 Hampden Lane
Bethesda, MD 20814
Posted by: easy e | Sep 30, 2011 1:35:47 AM | 7
The pdf includes a screenshot of Safari on page 4 - that gave me a hint about OS and version. Preview (pdf reader app on OS X) shows part of the metadata in the file; when that file is downloaded on OS X, the browser doesn't overwrite the creator date (I'm not sure if that is the case on Windows). And then using some command line tools (exiftools and others) to quiz a little deeper – which confirmed the OS used and the version of InDesign, and more detailed time stamps.
Unfortunately, the file appears to be locked for editing in Adobe InDesign or Illustrator (requires password) else I could probably get more data out of it. Looking through the file I can also tell you that the people who put that thing together are reasonably proficient with InDesign without being professional designers – but that doesn't tell us anything about who might be behind the document.
Posted by: philippe | Sep 30, 2011 3:18:13 AM | 8
Of course, the trap here is to be the champion of Ahmadinejad, which I refuse to do. I will not champion Ahmadinejad, nor will I adopt the West's propagandistic criticism of him. I will own my own criticism of him.
So, here's how I stand on some of the things he has espoused, and/or done, keeping in mind that all though he does possess some very real power and influence in Iran, that power and influence is granted, and approve, by the Mullahs.
1.) I agree with his criticism of the West in regards to the "Jewish Problem." He is right to say that the Holocaust was Europe's abomination, not the Middle East's, and the Middle East should be forced to pay for the sins of the West's Plutocrats who funded Hitler and brought him and his sadistic regime to power. Helping form the State of Israel, and then propping it up with Taxpayer money, was not, and is not, a healthy way to deal with the genocide that was a the Holocaust.
2.) I do not agree with him aiding and abetting racist douche bags like David Duke by providing a stage a facility for this scumbag to spout his disinformational shit. Were distortions and disinformation used to embellish what is now referred to as the Holocaust? Yes, of course, and that should be exposed, but not at the expense of claiming the Holocaust never occurred, or if it did, that it was not of much magnitude.
3.) I believe Iran has a very tyrannical, patriarchal form of governance with power highly centralized. Of course, that's not sanction for the U.S. to invade Iran and replace their current tyrannical government with the West's own version. What it means is that if I stick to principles, I am no more of a fan of Iran's Governing mechanism that I am of the Corporatized West's unofficial form of governance. Each deserve scorn and ridicule, and each deserve to be deposed and replaced with something much more just, equitable, egalitarian and decentralized.
These are but a few things. It is possible to criticize the West, to include criticizing the West's agenda-driven criticism of the rest of the world, including its concocted criticisms of Iran and its leaders, and to have your own unique criticism of the rest of the world, independent of the propagandists. It's why I don't read this tripe....no offense to tripe which is a perfectly acceptable food preference when cooked properly.
Posted by: Morocco Bama | Sep 30, 2011 9:14:05 AM | 9
I suspected you might say something like that.
(specific OS and software .. familiarity .. expertise)
But thanks for the reply, Philippe. It throws a little more light on possibilities and avenues of inquiry.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 30, 2011 9:26:13 AM | 10
very interesting philippe. thanks for sharing.
Posted by: annie | Sep 30, 2011 9:54:05 AM | 11
Uh-oh. Iran and the Holocaust in the same breath?
This smells like an agenda.
I don't know what David Duke says about it, or how Iranian he is, but I do know what Gilad Atzmon says about the Holocaust - and Jewish "history".
It's here. And it's not pretty. Or innocent.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 30, 2011 11:58:22 AM | 12
@12, no agenda, and that's my point. I wouldn't have this dipstick in my Living Room any more than I would have Netanyahu. I'm fully aware of Jewish History via Shlomo Sand, but that doesn't preclude a Holocaust by the Nazis of significant magnitude. Try reading what I wrote, rather than what you think I wrote, or what you hoped I would write.
Ahmadinejad's an idiot for giving this bum, and his ilk an audience. This guy's a major disinformationist, and I would say it's not beyond too far fetched to presume he works for one, or another, intelligence agency.
Posted by: Morocco Bama | Sep 30, 2011 2:51:49 PM | 13
@ 13. I read what you wrote twice, from beginning to end, MB.
My remarks were inspired by the content of Item 2. It went too far. Too much presumption. Too much projection. And way too much Holocaust equivocation. It reads like a shallow and dishonest drive-by smearing.
Blaming A'jad for David Duke's perceived sins carries cherry-picking to a new level. And then there's this...
"Were distortions and disinformation used to embellish what is now referred to as the Holocaust? Yes, of course, and that should be exposed, but not at the expense of claiming the Holocaust never occurred, or if it did, that it was not of much magnitude."
If you're trying to pass distortions and disinfo off as pre-emptive embellishment, I don't buy it. There's no valid "but" for lies and distortions.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 30, 2011 11:30:52 PM | 14
@14, that's pure hogwash, and you know it. No one's blaming here. It's called criticism, and with me, it's equal opportunity, meaning everyone and everything, is fair game. You seem to want to utilize the strategy that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If you stick to principles, that strategy is unpredictable and unreliable.
Unlike you, I have higher expectations of Ahmadinejad. If he puts himself out there as a leader, then he should have the wherewithal to not be an unwitting dupe for the West's machinations. Holding a forum in Iran in which a bunch of Holocaust deniers are invited to speak and express their bullshit, is stepping in it....all the way up to his neck.
Posted by: Morocco Bama | Oct 1, 2011 8:51:58 AM | 15
I've nothing to add to what I've already said, MB, except that I don't think you're helping your own case and now might be a good time to stop and let the record, as it stands, speak for itself.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 1, 2011 10:23:27 AM | 16
From a comment in Race for Iran's post on Obama's Palestine backflip.
(October 5, 2011 at 12:00 am)
Charlie Rose: "Syria. Where do you stand today on the Assad regime and do you believe it will survive?"
President Ahmadinejad: "What do you think is about to happen?"
Charlie Rose: "You tell me."
President Ahmadinejad: "But I cannot read your mind."
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 7, 2011 2:35:19 AM | 17