November 26, 2008
Comment or perish ... another open threat ...
Posted by b on November 26, 2008 at 03:16 PM | Permalink
Open threat? I guess I'd better comment since I don't want to perish. It's really excellent watching the rest of the world catch up with the news we have been receiving here on a regular basis. I probably couldn't conceive what the news would look like if I hadn't remembered the name of this site. All these insightful posts and valuable links; you all make me feel more intelligent than I probably am.
Posted by: Jim T. | Nov 26, 2008 4:03:22 PM | 1
speech is useless; words on planks
like somalian pirates holding tankers
waiting for a ransom from the money men
what's at stake is not control of sea lanes
or the fate of a few fat wall street banksters
but life stomped underfoot by more than greed
yes, what thrown away to never fertilize the dirt--
whether gathering island of trash afloat at sea
or complex chemical compounds--is our legacy
scraps and shards will one day be dug up
long after this peak finally crests and crashes in
just in time for the next celestial age to begin
Posted by: Lizard | Nov 26, 2008 4:15:45 PM | 2
A small anodyne.
Posted by: catlady | Nov 26, 2008 4:26:45 PM | 3
Posted by: annie | Nov 26, 2008 5:27:50 PM | 4
lizard, have you published?
you have a fantastic gift/curse of perception,
and an exquisite flow of words/information
please publish, and let us know more!
Posted by: lambent1 | Nov 26, 2008 6:09:57 PM | 5
as angry alchemists/who’ve lost touch/with stars/moons & suns/colliding in centre
we are holding/whole worlds hostage/in moment/we open/paper to page
where we see/the beautiful eyes/of ethel rosenberg/guilty as sin/i would commit/on hour/at every hour
when they electrocuted/you it’s said/pool of piss/formed on electric/chair you sat
in this world/you were desirable/women who wore/dignity as dress/an actress couldn’t
imitate your walk/to time/after you’d spoken/to papa julius/& reprimanded him
saying you’d sell/your soul again/& again taking/this dull world/by hand
making it possible/for fear to/take another shape/than editorial/in newspaper
you knew they/would stuff in/every other orifice/hoping in hell/they would read/all about america
where roman empire/began & finished/sometime in 1950’s/ruining it all/for rest
of us little/needs to be/enunciated by prince/talking to himself/beside battlements
he asked questions/crude & coarse/we cannot answer/here & now/without weeping/that would drown
us all animals/in gods kingdom/that’s been rented/out to toughest/customer with credit
who can get/by gates/with photograph/you once took
of boat sinking/in harbour/so very far/away from here/you think it/is in another
country or character/does it matter/not it doesn’t/matter at all/only element/in scheme
that is unfolding/like restoration tragedy/where words work/for their money
so they say/i cannot tell/i only know/poverty by purse/i am carrying/into your quartier
dreaming all day/about the troubles/that keep us/awake we’re alert/to movement/of the moon
& of planets/i’ve redrawn diagrams/so you’ll see/what world is/when it wavers
as it does/i perform dance/you have seen/somewhere on continent/you travelled once
when you were/directing all operations/& camped above/this haunted city
believing in yourself/you made up/history without figures/figures without history
you chose chronology/we’d live by/river & weep/into the water/knowing we’d see
guides & gods/in their number/playing with precedents/you acknowledged by/letters written outside
under sun/you sought channel/for that craft/that was collapsing/under strain
together we pulled/it into lock/& built it/again in image/of a boat
we had created/when wailing skins/struck a tattoo/& marched here/looking for fight
disagreeing on details/we determined destiny/in a way/that isn’t described/in big books
which we’d torn/into tiny fragment/because words wore/us down here/amongst the annalls
that told us/all we needed/to know condition/almost beyond repair/ask a soldier
somewhere on somme/or lodz villager/spending his time/in a camp/counting the numbers
ask an algerian/who’s under question/of literate gentlemen/from the city/of lights burning
genitals feet hands/skin oh skin/ask vietnames soldier/who lived underground/while american soldiers
shot up dope/above reading signals/that were sent/too long ago
ask any african/who will reply/or any palestinian/who’ll give you/time of day
ask them all/about these words/ask them all/how they construct/language of love
i won’t wait/for their reply/i have it/already i’ve heard/some time before/i had crawled/away from here
Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26, 2008 7:28:29 PM | 6
Attack in Mumbai, India, against western tourist hotels army troops moving in to rescue hostages, hotels on fire, scores killed. I guess the big Wall Street bailout didn't "trickle down" so much as "piss down their backs".
Posted by: Yellow Tiber | Nov 26, 2008 8:26:16 PM | 7
Apparently, the Deccan Mujahideen are claiming responsibility. All I could find about "Deccan" is that it's a plateau in southern India. There's also 25 million muslims in southern India. What's the connection? Muslim- Indian independence movement? New terror cell?
Posted by: Vander | Nov 26, 2008 8:55:35 PM | 8
President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
Posted by: Yellow Tiber | Nov 26, 2008 8:58:13 PM | 9
There's also 25 million muslims in southern India. What's the connection? Muslim- Indian independence movement? New terror cell?
Very possible: Radical right-wing Hindi groups who want to push the government against Muslim organizations.
Posted by: b | Nov 26, 2008 10:19:11 PM | 10
@3, 4, &5: thank you.
it's nice to see and contribute a little poetic expression here; it compliments the precise observations b provides and subsequent quality posts.
we determined destiny/in a way/that isn’t described/in big books which we’d torn/into tiny fragment/because words wore/us down here/amongst the annalls that told us/all we needed/to know
that fragment really resonates, r'giap. even though we're from a different generation/country our struggle is the same.
for example, here is a poem from a man stuck in the legal limbo of Gitmo:
THEY FIGHT FOR PEACE
Peace, they say.
Peace of mind?
Peace on earth?
Peace of what kind?
I see them talking, arguing, fighting--
What kind of peace are they looking for?
Why do they kill? What are they planning?
Is it just talk? Why do they argue?
Is it so simple to kill? Is this their plan?
Yes, of course!
They talk, they argue, they kill--
They fight for peace.
as for being published, no, I'm not, but that's my fault. i haven't established a small journal presence to convince a prospective publisher i'm worth the risk of publishing the book sized manuscript i've spent the last four years writing.
Posted by: Lizard | Nov 26, 2008 10:40:13 PM | 11
shed a tear for our world,
a cosmic erratum.
it started one eve
and ended with atom.
Posted by: whimsy mugwump | Nov 26, 2008 11:00:14 PM | 12
Funny the papers here which have been reporting it since about 8.00pm wednesday GMT initially put the attacks down to Assamese separatists, but it could just as easily have been Gorkhaland separatists, Sikh separatists or any of the myriad other nationalist movements within India known to have used violence against citizens and tourist spots.
The phone call from a previously unknown 'muslim terror group' is as convenient as it is unlikely to be genuine.
Me - I reckon the Mumbai attacks are probably the work of pissed off Thai fishermen angry the indian navy sunk a Thai fishing boat off the coast of Somalia last week as a piece of propaganda for the amerikan war against the Somali people. At least 14 completely innocent Thai fishermen died when the Indian warship sunk the fishing boat on the fallacious grounds it was a "Somali pirate mothership" - whatever that may be.
On the other hand, the hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri citizens rounded up at gunpoint and made to vote for their oppressor/invader last week could have become sufficiently angry to have done such a thing.
The least likely group to have committed these crimes are IMO indian muslims, who know full well that a provocation far less than this gets the hindu thugs going through muslim ghettos torching, raping, and looting while the police stand by and applaud.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 26, 2008 11:11:09 PM | 13
Does he drink at this bar? ...lol drinking with bob
Annie, check your link..
Also, powerful words guys, thank you.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26, 2008 11:54:31 PM | 14
Private intelligence company Monitors Activists for Police
Also see, Scahil: Blackwater now in the private intelligence business and Cyveillance
"Cyveillance is a private Internet-monitoring company based in Arlington, VA. Founded in 1997, Cyveillance provides online risk monitoring and management solutions to large organizations, such as members of the Fortune 500. The company comprehensively monitors the Internet using war scripts and bots. The company monitors the areas of the Internet which it claims are beyond the reach of commercial search engines.
Cyveillance's clients include entities within the entertainment industry, particularly music and movie concerns, specifically, the RIAA and MPAA. Cyveillance runs scans which attempt to gain access to P2P networks, Web servers, IRC servers, FTP servers, and mail servers, searching for mp3 audio files and movie titles. After running the scan, the site scanned is archived, and the information sold to the RIAA and/or MPAA."
RIAA and MPAA now have the DOJ doing their work for them as well...
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 27, 2008 12:36:14 AM | 16
the irony of the agressive acts of the indian navy in sinking that thai fishing boat off the somali coast is that it (probably) stopped one case of illegal fishing in those waters
Posted by: b real | Nov 27, 2008 1:03:16 AM | 17
like i heard today, "bailing out the banks with our money, so puts them in a better position to loan us money" according to their rules of course.
Posted by: anna missed | Nov 27, 2008 1:22:52 AM | 18
@breal but of course that was why the Somalian Coastguard boarded the boat in the firstplace. I didn't put it together but if you remember one of the original interviews with the putative pirates, the leader said that patrolling to stop illegal fishing was one of their main tasks.
Except the Somalians prolly woulda just taken the boat not killed all the crew.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 27, 2008 4:46:28 AM | 19
anna missed- yeah, sounds ridiculous when you look at it the way we should.
And yeah, go bob!
I don't know anyone who isn't angry, but no one in Washingon cares.
Posted by: Rick | Nov 27, 2008 4:53:58 AM | 20
Thanksgiving. Not because of the manufactured celebration of genocide, but, just that I can still feel, today in spite of the matrix that would rather I /we not feel.
The older I get the more I am grateful for another day of breath, even if it is often bated breath. Having said that, it is also A Good Day To Die.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 27, 2008 11:58:31 AM | 21
halfway fair: The House of Dispute
The House of Dispute is a long, rectangular, four-story building on the east edge of Hebron. The street-level rooms are built as storefronts, facing the road leading to the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba. Upstairs are living quarters. As I write, the people living in those quarters are settlers who moved in one night in March of last year.
How much longer they will live there is known only to a few top-level Israeli officials -- assuming that those officials have overcome their own trepidations and decided when and how to evict the settlers. In a ruling last week, Israel's Supreme Court gave the building's residents three days to clear out voluntarily, or face eviction by the government. The settlers and their hard-line supporters -- in the fortified Jewish enclaves in Hebron, in Kiryat Arba, and beyond -- say they won't let it happen.
Posted by: b | Nov 27, 2008 2:19:31 PM | 22
Floyd : Anonymous testimony now allowed in US courts
Another step in the war on terrorism, as GW put it in December 2001...
Kangaroo Country: "Terror" Verdict Against Charity a Bitter Fruit of Bipartisan Policy
If the Holy Land Foundation "terrorism" case had been held in Russia, we would now be enduring a flood of thundering commentary from every leading orifice of the corporate media, denouncing yet another travesty of justice in the sham democracy controlled by the Kremlin. Yet a decorous editorial silence covers the convictions of five charity officials whose only crime was helping needy and oppressed people through agencies used by international charities such as the Red Cross, and by the United States government itself. As Alternet.com [sic] reports:
On Monday afternoon, a jury in Dallas, Texas found five Palestinian men guilty of more than 100 charges in the nation's largest terrorism financing trial since 9/11...
Edward Abington, the former number two intelligence official at the State Department (and ex-US consul in Jerusalem), told jurors he was never told that the Palestinian charity committees supported by Holy Land were part of Hamas in the daily intelligence briefings he received. In fact, these same charities, or "zakat committees," still receive donations from the U.S. Agency for International Development and the International Red Cross.
This was the second trial against Holy Land. Last year, the government's case ended in embarrassment and defeat when jurors returned after 19 days of deliberations with no guilty verdicts. At least one of the defendants would have been completely acquitted had a juror not changed her mind at the eleventh hour, backing out of her decision to acquit when the judge polled the panel about their votes. Another juror later said she refused to discuss the evidence during deliberations, simply explaining that she relied on her "feelings."
The stark differences between the two juries became apparent at the conclusion of the second trial. "Twelve good American citizens in the first trial didn't convict anyone of anything," Linda Moreno, one of the defense attorneys on the case, told the Associated Press. "And 12 good American citizens in the second trial convicted everyone of everything. If you can make sense of that explain it to me."
...Over fervent objections from the defense, the judge in the Holy Land trial allowed the prosecution to present testimony from an anonymous Israeli intelligence agent. This bizarre episode marked the first time in American legal history that testimony has been allowed from an expert witness with no identity. If the witness, who was introduced to the jury simply as "Avi," lied or committed perjury, he faces no consequences. He is officially non-existent, after all.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 27, 2008 6:29:57 PM | 23
who by fire
Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27, 2008 7:15:52 PM | 24
Front page Asia Times Online: Thailand crashes and burns
The brazen occupation of Bangkok's international airport by anti-government protesters takes Thailand's political conflict to a point of no return. The relatively peaceful crisis is now on the brink of all-out violence. And the longer the government refuses calls for it to step down, the greater the chance of the military making a move. - Shawn W Crispin
below the Mumbai attack's of course...
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 27, 2008 7:48:50 PM | 25
opps, meant to ad this...
Youtube: Thaksin goes shopping in Dubai
Former Thailand Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra caught on camera window shopping with his eldest daughter Pintongta at Wafi City Shopping Centre in Dubai, UAE, on Thursday November 20, 2008.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 27, 2008 7:54:58 PM | 26
a farmer in colorado, who decided to clean up what was left in his fields after harvest by opening up to the public, got a little bit of a surprise. he expected a couple thousand people to show up. instead, 40,000 people came.
yeah, we're in trouble.
Posted by: Lizard | Nov 27, 2008 11:56:51 PM | 27
Leonard Cohen - Who By Fire
And who by fire, who by water,
who in the sunshine, who in the night time,
who by high ordeal, who by common trial,
who in your merry merry month of may,
who by very slow decay,
and who shall I say is calling?
And who in her lonely slip, who by barbiturate,
who in these realms of love, who by something blunt,
and who by avalanche, who by powder,
who for his greed, who for his hunger,
and who shall I say is calling?
And who by brave assent, who by accident,
who in solitude, who in this mirror,
who by his lady's command, who by his own hand,
who in mortal chains, who in power,
and who shall I say is calling?
Posted by: Rick | Nov 28, 2008 2:18:43 AM | 28
In re DWBob, a Midwest family values Turkey-Day poll:
Mumbai? (SFX: crickets chirping) Thailand?
Somali's, ... don't they have funny teeth? (SFX: Ed McMahon guffaw))
Hope Hillary becomes SecState! (SFX: world's tiniest violin)
What do you mean free trade isn't fair? Look how it's helped (sic) the Chinese!
Think Obama will be fair and intelligent. (side discussion Lincoln:Kennedy sim's)
These economic slowdowns usually take a couple years to work out.
Bailout? ... Would you like some more mashed potatoes?
If it weren't for immigration crackdowns, the Republicans would have won.
Posted by: Derrick Utler | Nov 28, 2008 3:07:31 AM | 29
Just as, 'the power of nightmares' and 'the century of the self', you wont be seeing this on tv folks...
Adam Curtis- The Living Dead
Adam Curtis kick
The long sought after 1995 three parter has been notable by its absence from the web.
On the Desperate Edge of Now- This episode examined how the various national memories of the Second World War were effectively rewritten and manipulated in the Cold War period. For Germany, this began at the Nuremberg Trials, where attempts were made to prevent the Nazis in the dock—principally Hermann Göring—from offering any rational argument for what they had done. Subsequently, however, bringing lower-ranking Nazis to justice was effectively forgotten about in the interests of maintaining West Germany as an ally in the Cold War. For the Allied countries, faced with a new enemy in the Soviet Union, there was a need to portray WW2 as a crusade of pure good against pure evil, even if this meant denying the memories of the Allied soldiers who had actually done the fighting, and knew it to have been far more complex. A number of American veterans, including the writer Kurt Vonnegut, told how years later they found themselves plagued with the previously-suppressed memories of the brutal things they had seen and done. The title comes from a veteran's description of what the uncertainty of survival while combat is like.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 29, 2008 12:43:55 AM | 30
Also see, 1992 Pandora’s Box: A Fable From The Age Of Science
Pandora’s Box, subtitled A fable from the age of science, is a six part 1992 BBC documentary television series written and produced by Adam Curtis, which examines the consequences of political and technocratic rationalism. Curtis’ later series The Century of the Self and The Trap had similar themes. The title sequence made extensive use of clips from the short film Design for Dreaming, as well as other similar archive footage.
Enjoy, download, share, torrent before some killjoy comes along.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 29, 2008 12:46:31 AM | 31
uncle #23 Last year, the government's case ended in embarrassment and defeat when jurors returned after 19 days of deliberations with no guilty verdicts.
was the case where the acquitted defendant committed suicide after the trial by binding himself in duck tape before drowning in a lake?
Posted by: annie | Nov 29, 2008 12:57:58 AM | 32
Vatican to keep Hitler’s Pope papers secret
ARCHIVAL material pertaining to the pontificate of Pius XII – the man known as “Hitler’s Pope” – will not be disclosed to the public within the next six or seven years, the Vatican has announced.
In response to a request by Rabbi David Rosen, director of the American Jewish Committee’s Department for Interreligious Affairs, who was received last weekend at the Vatican by Pope Benedict XVI, the Reverend Federico Lombardi said that while requests to make the wartime archive available were “understandable” it would take “six or seven years” to prepare the 16 million documents.
But Rabbi Rosen added that Benedict XVI would give “serious consideration” to his request not to proceed with the beatification of Pius XII, the penultimate step to canonisation, until the archives have been opened.
The papacy of Pius XII from 1939 to 1958 was extremely controversial and continues to plague the Vatican today.
The charge is that, in the view of historians of the Holocaust and in the words of one book on the subject, he turned a blind eye to murder by failing to speak out against or trying to prevent the Nazis exterminating millions of Jews, communists, homosexuals and gypsies.
Some Jewish human rights groups go further and say that Pius XII was anti-Semitic and the Roman Catholic church was complicit in the rounding up of victims.
Hitler’s Pope also enjoyed close relations with the Ustase regime in Croatia, a Nazi puppet state established after the German invasion of Yugoslavia in 1941, and its leader Ante Pavelic.
He was responsible for the murder of more than 500,000 Serbs, many at the notorious Jasenovac concentration camp.
The accusation against the Pope is that, again, he did nothing to stop the killing.
Despite these allegations Benedict XVI, who as Joseph Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth in 1941, last month marked the 50th anniversary of the death of Pius XII with a pontifical mass commemorating his papacy.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 29, 2008 1:12:47 AM | 33
i almost posted a link to the annual story that someone got trampled to death by rabid consumers on Black Friday, but i didn't. all you need to know is an employee of walmart was killed today by an unruly crowd of pre-dawn shoppers stampeding the gates.
Rick: that is one of my favorite Cohen tunes, and when r'giap posted his link, Cohen's song is what immediately sprang to mind. it inspired me to dig through his selected book of poems, called STRANGE MUSIC, and i found this:
The Killers that run
the other countries
are trying to get us
to overthrow the killers
that run our own
I for one
prefer the rule
of our native killers
I am convinced
the foreign killer
will kill more of us
than the old familiar killer does
Frankly I don't believe
anyone out there
really wants us to solve
our social problems
I base this all on how I feel
about the man next door
I just hope he doesn't
get any uglier
Therefore I am a patriot
I don't like to see
a burning flag
because it excites
the killers on either side
to unfortunate excess
which goes on gaily
until everyone is dead
Posted by: Lizard | Nov 29, 2008 1:30:25 AM | 34
"Polish Jew gave his life defining, fighting genocide!"
"The New Terror isn't Iraq, it's fundamentalist Pakistan!"
"Pakistan Al Qaeda responsible for Mumbai terror attacks."
"“I don’t think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided
to test our new president,” Hillary Clinton said today.
"Credit companies pull $2T spending. DoD only game in town!"
"Here is a bright shiny object. You are feeling very sleepy."
"Go start a little war. Let's roll! Shekinah for shalom!
Posted by: Yellow Tiber | Dec 2, 2008 1:36:58 AM | 37