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September 23, 2005

Hersh on the Neocults

Two days ago Seymour Hersh gave a speech at a conference about Economic Strategies in the Fight Against Terrorism.

A video stream in WMV-Format is available. The Hersh talk starts 5:30 minutes into the stream. Unfortunately there is no transcript (yet). (Maybe that's why the blogsphere has  so far ignored this.)

Some of his talking points were already known, like the "madness of King George II", but there are several things Hersh is revealing which, to my knowledge, are not widly known.

  • Six weeks ago there was a putsch in Mauritania. Hersh says the United States did initiate and supported the coup.
  • The rendition process, to vanish people and deliver them to some torture place in this world or worse, is still going on. Hersh calls it Murder Incorporated and thinks it recently even accelerated.
  • The success in the North Korea negotiation has been made with throwing a lot of US money at the problem. Hersh says he has been told four weeks ago, that a deal has to be done with North Korea to clear the deck for the obligations towards Israel.
  • A deal has been made between the US administration and Israel's Prime Minister Sharon. To keep Sharon in the game in Gaza the US administration promised to take care of Israel's assumed biggest strategic danger - Iranian nuclear weapons (if there are such).
  • Pakistan is developing small nuclear weapons in the kiloton range, essentially at landmine size, transportable. Pakistan is protecting OBL. Pakistani hardcore leadership is afraid they will be next after Iran.
  • Shinseki was seen as a "witch" by the the Neocons because he broke out of the Neocon cult.
  • The government is off-the-books. They don´t trust the CIA. They are using private contractors with ex-CIA folks who don´t have the legal obligations the CIA has.
  • There is plenty off-the-book money the administration is spending with congress eager to look the other way. There are billions from the Iraqi oil deals and $3 billions of Saddam's personal money. This time, there is no need for something like an Iran-Contra deal.
  • If you need to "drink the Kool-Aid to get into the White House" - Negroponte is the one "mixing the Kool-Aid". He has direct access and control over the CIA station chiefs without a need to use the chain of command.

His closing conclusion:

"Since March 2003 the most critical danger to us and to the world is George Bush."

I agree.

Posted by b on September 23, 2005 at 10:13 AM | Permalink

Comments

The most critical danger to US and the world is avian flu. Word.

Posted by: tante aime | Sep 23, 2005 10:43:40 AM | 1

wayne madsen reported right after the mauritania coup that the u.s. had provided the training. orig story archived here (under aug 5)

the parallel cia prospered under bush daddy. not a surprise that it's progressed to a parallel govt.

Posted by: b real | Sep 23, 2005 11:14:33 AM | 2

@tante aime

"After all, talk of controlling cyberspace as an offensive measure, deployment of permanent forces in the Middle East, the control of outer space and even the creation of genotype-specific biological weapons for use as a "politically useful tool" (PNAC) what if the War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race is their trump card?
Call me mad, but I have seen into the dark and know what man is capable of believe me. Is this the terrible knowledge rgiap speaks of. None the less we can not, we must not, "We will not walk in fear."

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23, 2005 11:18:58 AM | 3

@tante amie The most critical danger to US and the world is avian flu.

The most critical danger to US and the world is Bush's reaction to the avian flu. The flu itself is only no. 2.

Posted by: b | Sep 23, 2005 11:19:07 AM | 4

"the creation of genotype-specific biological weapons for use as a "politically useful tool"

Last I looked the human genotype is too mixed for this to work: there isn't enough difference between skin types to target.

Posted by: Colman | Sep 23, 2005 11:25:52 AM | 5

Last I looked the human genotype is too mixed for this to work: there isn't enough difference between skin types to target.

That didn't stop Mengele from trying.

Posted by: Billmon | Sep 23, 2005 12:06:26 PM | 6

Did Rove help Tyco lobbyist?

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff bragged two years ago that he was in contact with White House political aide Karl Rove to fight a move to crackdown on firms which used offshore headquarters to pay lower U.S. taxes, according to a published report.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23, 2005 12:43:56 PM | 7

Mac OS can't handle format of Hersh's speech. If anyone else is listening & can share more, it'd be greatly appreciated. Hersh is our connection to reality.

Posted by: jj | Sep 23, 2005 2:19:16 PM | 8

Three days later, the roads from Galveston past Houston
are still backed up 100 miles. The number of isolation
wards in all US hospitals numbers only in the 1,000's.
The virus may have already morphed in Indonesia today.

The absolute worst case from Hersch's laundry list is
we lose Iraq (already lost), we lose SCOTUS (already
lost), and our children become happy chanters for the
American Taliban (already are). So what's the big deal?

Bush has nothing to do with natural disasters or the
economic ones either. Gore would have spent into the
basement to keep the GDP green-over-green. Lieberman
would have had the US all over the Arab lands by now.

It's endemic. It's in the system. It's in the population.
It's an avian flu of the mind. The question you have to
ask is, what's the real path to US recovery? No duality!

Posted by: tante aime | Sep 23, 2005 3:01:17 PM | 9

jj, have you tried it in VLC media player 0.8.2 by videolan.org MacOSX ? works for me...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23, 2005 8:09:13 PM | 10

Genetic control will not happen. It's impossible, try as they might. Life forces will defeat them all. Diversity is how the human population survives and by apparent spontaneous mutation. Worry not.

Control of the human race by other humans also will not happen. There are equalizers in the species that are always in operation. If any power triumphs, it is the collective.

Posted by: jm | Sep 23, 2005 8:41:21 PM | 11

Shows what you know. The neocon vision of Iraqi economic freedom is taking root in
the snuff-for-porn trade!

[Edited: WARNING - There are brutal war pics at that link - b]

Posted by: vidkun | Sep 23, 2005 8:49:19 PM | 12

JJ, I'm running OS X 10.4.2, Safari 2.0.1 and Windows Media Player 9.0.0 -- all the current versions -- and while the video is low bandwith the audio is fine.

Posted by: Pyrrho | Sep 23, 2005 8:57:06 PM | 13

Thanks for the help.

Posted by: jj | Sep 23, 2005 9:28:06 PM | 14

"the creation of genotype-specific biological weapons for use as a "politically useful tool"

"Last I looked the human genotype is too mixed for this to work: there isn't enough difference between skin types to target."

Posted by: Colman | Sep 23, 2005 11:25:52 AM | #

What if the vaccine costs $100,000 a shot?

Posted by: pb | Sep 24, 2005 12:43:34 AM | 15

nationalize the company that makes the vaccine and give it free to humanity........awwww.....can't do that.....thats commie talk

Posted by: lenin's ghost | Sep 24, 2005 1:09:32 AM | 16

@ lenin's ghost
go take the test

Posted by: annie | Sep 24, 2005 1:32:15 AM | 17

@lenin's ghost:

Commie talk or not, it’s irrelevant. Vaccines aren’ going to help much if this is truly a virulent influenza virus on the H5N1 pattern. H5N1 mutates very quickly, and swaps genes with other flu viruses when they appear. (One possibility is that if/when it makes the jump to humanity it will drop some of its nastier traits—not totally implausible, given that it will probably make the jump by swapping genes with a human flu virus, which tend to be relatively benign.) Making a vaccine for influenza takes several weeks—and if your end result doesn’t work you have to start over from the beginning. If avian influenza spreads as fast as the 1918 flu did, in half that time the thing would be everywhere. By the time a vaccine would be ready, it would be redundant. And when it makes the jump to being human-transferrable, there is no particular reason to believe that preëxisting vaccines will be effective, since the virus will have to undergo a lot of changes to get to that point. (The immune system mostly works by protein pattern recognition; proteins are the product of DNA; therefore a human-transferrable avian influenza will, by definition, have different proteins than existing strains. Vaccines work by exposing the immune system to a pattern under harmless conditions, so that when it shows up again the threat is recognized immediately. It’s possible that a vaccine created now would still be effective to a greater or lesser extent against a new strain, depending on how similar the proteins are, but I wouldn’t want to bet the world’s population on that. A far better strategy, as the WHO as pointed out and has been doing its underfunded unsupported best to carry out, is to vaccinate asians against current human flu, so that it is less likely for avian flu to come into contact with human flu and swap genes.)

There’s a second issue with making a vaccine and distributing it—there’s a limit to the production process. The process which is most commonly used is to grow the virus in a chicken egg, purify it, then inject it into a part of the body where it doesn’t spread fast enough to escape the immune system. (Influenza multiplies incredibly rapidly in your throat and lungs—not so fast in, say, your arm.) Well, where do we get the egg-stra production capacity?

Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Sep 24, 2005 1:46:34 AM | 18

This job, also described here, which was an operation so screamingly sloppy that it seemed designed to smear someone, always suggested to me these two points:

The rendition process, to vanish people and deliver them to some torture place in this world or worse, is still going on.
They are using private contractors with ex-CIA folks who don´t have the legal obligations the CIA has.

Maybe it's not so much the so-called freedom of manning operations off the books, which I'll bet is illusory once the veil has been pierced anyway, as the fact that the operations can be false-flagged and used to ruin the on-the-books efforts.

Posted by: cymack | Sep 25, 2005 8:44:58 AM | 19

the same old guy would be pushing the same old broom" Message Board http://www.burnandturn.com Message Board down the sidewalk every morning after heavy nights of drinking and carousing until 2 a.m.

Posted by: Message Board | Oct 25, 2005 10:51:07 PM | 20

@ cymack

Yours is a interesting and plausible hypothesis. The fiasco represented by the Italian kidnapping may however have merely been as crass, unprofessional and utterly American as it seems. It's disgusting that the "restoration" of American democracy is left to the hands of the CIA, an organization whose operations branch is an archive of anti-democratic maneuvers.

Posted by: Hannah K. O'Luthon | Oct 26, 2005 1:37:18 AM | 21

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