January 12, 2005
The Tangled Web Continued ...
Billmon collected quotes for this piece, May 29, 2003
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney, Speech to VFW National Convention, August 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush, Speech to UN General Assembly, September 12, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer, Press Briefing, December 2, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer, Press Briefing, January 9, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell, Remarks to UN Security Council, February 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush, Radio Address, February 8, 2003
If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.
Colin Powell, Interview with Radio France International, February 28, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell, Remarks to UN Security Council, March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush, Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher, Press Briefing, March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks, Press Conference, March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman, Washington Post, p. A27, March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark, Press Briefing, March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld, ABC Interview, March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan, Washington Post op-ed, April 9, 2003
But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
Ari Fleischer, Press Briefing, April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush, NBC Interview, April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld, Press Briefing, April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush, Remarks to Reporters, May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell, Remarks to Reporters, May 4, 2003
We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld, Fox News Interview, May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush, Remarks to Reporters, May 6, 2003
U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice, Reuters Interview, May 12, 2003
I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne, Press Briefing, May 13, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps, Interview with Reporters, May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, NBC Today Show interview, May 26, 2003
They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld, Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations, May 27, 2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair interview, May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, Press Interview, May 30, 2003
Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."
Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency, Press Conference, May 30, 2003
After some 100,000 died and many more are injured and maimed, after billions spend and no light at the end of the tunnel, nobody even feels obliged to make an official announcement.
Search for Banned Arms In Iraq Ended Last Month - Critical September Report to Be Final Word
The hunt for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in Iraq has come to an end nearly two years after President Bush ordered U.S. troops to disarm Saddam Hussein. The top CIA weapons hunter is home, and analysts are back at Langley.
The ISG has interviewed every person it could find connected to programs that ended more than 10 years ago, and every suspected site within Iraq has been fully searched, or stripped bare by insurgents and thieves, according to several people involved in the weapons hunt.
Congress allotted hundreds of millions of dollars for the weapons hunt, and there has been no public accounting of the money. A spokesman for the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency said the entire budget and the expenditures would remain classified.
A small group of Iraqi scientists still in U.S. military custody are not being held in connection with weapons investigations, either.
Three people involved with the ISG said the weapons teams made several pleas to the Pentagon to release the scientists, who have been interviewed extensively.
None of the scientists has been involved in weapons programs since the 1991 Gulf War, the ISG determined more than a year ago, and all have cooperated with investigators despite nearly two years of jail time without charges. U.S. officials previously said they were being held because their denials of ongoing weapons programs were presumed to be lies; now, they say the scientists are being held in connection with the possible war crimes trials of Iraqis.
Since March 2003, nearly a dozen people working for or with the weapons hunt have lost their lives to the insurgency.
Posted by b on January 12, 2005 at 12:25 PM | Permalink
as usual, b, pertinent
Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 12, 2005 12:55:39 PM | 1
Reposting Fran's link from the "Non-Marx Open Thread" it belongs here too, should it be overlooked there.
Posted by: beq | Jan 12, 2005 1:00:19 PM | 2
Posted by: Groucho | Jan 12, 2005 4:07:26 PM | 4
I suppose the link that Groucho put up is good news in that at least someone is trying to establish an intellectual infrastructure to base opposition to neo-cons on. The thing is though that the people involved in this adventure mean that the project is probably doomed to failure and the US can expect to see the opposition to be more in the Kerry mold and probably worse.
George Soros made his money destroying the economies of developing nations back in the day when central banks used to underwrite the local currency. A sort of gentleman's agreement between major financial players meant that unless a country really blew it by electing someone 'unsuitable' small economies could keep their exchange rate artificially high or low depending on their internal requirements. Soros put an end to this and created 'runs' on currencies from Malaysia to New Zealand, making big bucks by selling short and completely destroying many nation's economic independance. After that deregulation, free markets and globalisation would become the catch phrases amongst the politicians in those countries as their leaders meekly surrendered and allowed foreign ownership of their strategic resources such as transportation and telecommunications.
John Lewis got busted by customs down here about four years ago when he came to visit his daughter who had bought an island following Soros decade earlier 'intervention' in our economy. In itself nothing really wrong with that I don't particularly care whether a man smokes dope or drinks whiskey, their business, although a fairly stupid sort of a coals to newcastle move I would have thought. The thing is though not only did he show the common US citizen's contempt for another country's laws, he appeared incapable of accepting the consequences of his actions. He strong armed the courts for name supression, another stupid act in a country as small as ours and then bought his way out by showering donations on the McDonalds of drug rehab who inflict a primitive form of brain washing on young drug users. Kinda strange actions for someone who is meant to be one of the leading lights of drug law reform in the US. He also appears to have destroyed his daughter's sanctuary down here since shortly after his court case the whole family upped sticks and went back to the US.
I know nothing of the other backers of these left wing think tanks, but if they are anything like these two they seem to be self interested, main chancing hypocrites, not unlike the doyens of the neo-cons. A plague upon their houses.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 12, 2005 5:27:27 PM | 6
correction: Peter Lewis
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 12, 2005 5:29:13 PM | 7
Debs, that needed to be said about Mr. Soros & Co. I have never ever promoted these guys in dinner conversations.
They're "players" and capitalistic scum, which shows that given the right conditions, politicians sell their souls to the highest bidder.
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 12, 2005 5:40:36 PM | 8
The Poorman nails it
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 12, 2005 5:49:07 PM | 9
CP - I don't agree about Soros. Don't blame him for Malaysia, that's antisemitic opportunist drivel from Mahatir. don't blme him for the pound, that's was mostly misplaced pride by UK politicians in the exchange rate of the GBB vs DEM (the Germans did the same 10 years later with the euro and have been paying the price ever since - in slow motion)
Soros shows politicians when they have no clothes. Don't up the ante with financial markets if you don't have the goods. All he showed is that private entities can call governments' bluffs, which is mostly a good thing when these governments otherwise ride roughshod over their populations.
Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 12, 2005 6:11:29 PM | 10
Jerome, with due respect.
I buried my Uncle, a Franciscan Scholar and maths genius, yesterday, he married all of my family and cousins, he baptised all of us and most of the his grandnieces and grandnephews, he was kicked out of South Africa by an Aparthied Regime.
When George Soros decides to become a Franciscan, I might start believing him.
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 12, 2005 6:21:03 PM | 11
01/12/05 AFP: Iraq's power supply sinks to record low: US general
Power plants now generate only 3,500-3,600 megawatts daily, far less than the 4,400 megawatts of electricity under Saddam Hussein's rule on the eve of the invasion, said Major General Thomas Bostwick, commander of the US Army Corps of Engineers.
@CP - what's the link between Soros and South Africa? (this is an honest question)
Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 12, 2005 6:38:49 PM | 12
Sorry about your unc', CP, truly.
Posted by: beq | Jan 12, 2005 8:10:48 PM | 13
@Jerome - Luv that record low Iraqi power - courtesy of our multibillion $$$$$$$$ invasion. Power??? who, me?
@CP Poorman is good - thanks for the link.
Posted by: rapt | Jan 12, 2005 9:24:11 PM | 14
Jérôme I don't disagree that Matahir used Soros to cover his own economic failings and I don't know what he did in the UK as far as I know the tabloids there have their usual love/hate relationship with him that is if you're loved by the Sun you're hated by the Mirror and vice versa.
Whatever games Soros was playing with politicians it always ended up being ordinary people who paid for Soros's wealth.
Countries did prop up their currency unsustainably which enabled them to centralise their economies far more than is possible nowadays. I'm not going to get into the why's and wherefore's of economic rationalisation except to say that if you live in Europe or the US the chances are you have yet to feel the cold wind fanned by Adam Smith's 'invisble hand' and that when markets become truly efficient everything has a price except happiness, personal wellbeing and especially children. Children are inefficient economic units in the short term and in countries that have been rationalised and made efficient the rates of infant mortality, child abuse rise while literacy rates fall.
Obviously in wouldn't be fair to lay all that at one person's feet but Soros has been complicit in the destruction of economic sovereignty for a great many small and developing nations. He showed no compassion for the people of those economies whilst he did it so it would be foolish to expect his support of the 'left' is based on anything altruistic or anything at all apart from his own selfish desires.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 13, 2005 12:11:27 AM | 15
DeA - just you wait until the omnipresent AL-ZARQAWI hears that. Time for a few substantiating explosions?
Posted by: teuton | Jan 13, 2005 6:44:52 AM | 17
A few quotes were missing from the thread. Enjoy.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
So... how is it, exactly, that the leadership of the former administration, and many key leaders throughout the rest of the world KNEW Iraq possessed WMD (not to mention evidence of hundreds of THOUSANDS of corpses of Kurds, Shiites and Iranians who were gassed), yet Bush, Cheney, et al "duped" the American public into support for a war on "fictious" grounds?
Posted by: R T Wangler | Oct 3, 2005 6:18:30 PM | 18